Abortion

[mikkel_the_dane]

Well you thought wrong.
My point was to the post of not having sex is killing children.
There are no children(no chance for children) until they come together and fertilization/conception happens.
So no children are being killed by not having sex.

Well, it was about choice. To choose not to have sex is a choice and means not potential children. So choose to have an abortion is a choice and means no potential children. That is the point in the end.
And having sex means potential children.

 

[Ignatius A]

I said that because...



Its like they ignore most 'people' can't get pregnant.

I get it but using their terms for any reason gives those terms validity. Only women get pregnant period. To pretend something else is true is delusional. Trans "women" can't get pregnant anymore than a pig can cluck like a chicken.

 

[Ignatius A]

Well, it was about choice. To choose not to have sex is a choice and means not potential children. So choose to have an abortion is a choice and means no potential children. That is the point in the end.
And having sex means potential children.

There is no reason to choose an abortion for "potential" children.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Its like they ignore the majority of 'people' can't get pregnant.

Do you understand the difference between "aren't pregnant" and "can't get pregnant"? Your posts suggest you don't.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

There is no reason to choose an abortion for "potential" children.

That is not up to you unless you are a pregnant woman. And that debate started here:

Here it is.
It is a potentially born baby and an unborn human with only the potential to become a born living human.
So I don't deny that it is an unborn human. It is the difference between potential and actual that is difference.
If you agree on that, there is even more to explore.

 

[We Never Know]

Do you understand the difference between "aren't pregnant" and "can't get pregnant"? Your posts suggest you don't.

Sure.

Would you like it better if I tell you the majority of people aren't pregnant....

Why? ...Because they can't get pregnant

 

[Ignatius A]

Do you understand the difference between "aren't pregnant" and "can't get pregnant"? Your posts suggest you don't.

Men aren't pregnant, never will be pregnant and can't get pregnant. That sums it up nicely.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Abortion is an emotive subject, that brings out all sorts of prejudice in people.
For my part I would leave it completely down to the woman to make the decision.
I have no particular belief that a fetus has any rights at all, nor is it killing a child.
Vaslty more more fetuses are lost to miscarriage than to abortion.

However it can be dangerous to the mother so should be carried out in the safest way and as soon as possible.
I think the pro life position is completely untenable and often held by people who support war and the death penalty.
It would of course be preferable for it to be unnecessary, but even in countries with the best sex education and contraceptive facilities, it still has its place. People are fallible, and some men do not take no for an answer.

 

[Ignatius A]

Abortion is an emotive subject, that brings out all sorts of prejudice in people.
For my part I would leave it completely down to the woman to make the decision.
I have no particular belief that a fetus has any rights at all, nor is it killing a child.
Vaslty more more fetuses are lost to miscarriage than to abortion.

However it can be dangerous to the mother so should be carried out in the safest way and as soon as possible.
I think the pro life position is completely untenable and often held by people who support war and the death penalty.
It would of course be preferable for it to be unnecessary, but even in countries with the best sex education and contraceptive facilities, it still has its place. People are fallible, and some men do not take no for an answer.

Why should the woman make the decision?
Why do you believe a fetus (offspring) doesnt have rights?
I'm pro life and support neither war nor the death penalty.
And some women can't say no

 

[McBell]

Why should the woman make the decision?

Who is it that you think should make the decision?

Why do you believe a fetus (offspring) doesnt have rights?

Because the fetus does not have legal rights in the USA

I'm pro life and support neither war nor the death penalty.

Um..
Okay...

And some women can't say no

And?
What does that have to do with the fact that some men do not take no for an answer?

 

[Ignatius A]

Who is it that you think should make the decision?


Because the fetus does not have legal rights in the USA


Um..
Okay...


And?
What does that have to do with the fact that some men do not take no for an answer?

Well first i was asking then to explain their position. Next the woman already made a choice.

Somewhat? Neither did blacks back in the day.

Then charge them with rape but not taking no for an answer is irrelevant

 

[McBell]

Well first i was asking then to explain their position.

And I was asking who YOU think should be making the decision.

Next the woman already made a choice.

This is nothing more than a dodge.
Who is it that YOU think should be making the decision?

Somewhat? Neither did blacks back in the day.

Neither did women, back in the day.
Neither did those who did not own land, back in the day.
Neither did Native Americans, back in the day.
Neither did fetus, back in the day.

Now all you need do is explain WTF any of that has to do with the fact that fetus, in the current day, do not have rights.

Then charge them with rape but not taking no for an answer is irrelevant

not taking no for an answer is quite on the point.
That you have to ignore the relevancy reveals much about any "point" you are attempting to faust on others.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Why should the woman make the decision?

Is this a serious question?

Because it's her body.
Because it's her physical and mental health.

Who do you think should make the decision?

How would you feel if I came into your doctor's office with you next time you're there and decide for you what procedures you can have?

Why do you believe a fetus (offspring) doesnt have rights?

Because it doesn't.

I'm pro life and support neither war nor the death penalty.

I'm pro-choice and anti-death penalty.

And some women can't say no

What's that supposed to mean?

 

[Ignatius A]

And I was asking who YOU think should be making the decision.


This is nothing more than a dodge.
Who is it that YOU think should be making the decision?


Neither did women, back in the day.
Neither did those who did not own land, back in the day.
Neither did Native Americans, back in the day.
Neither did fetus, back in the day.

Now all you need do is explain WTF any of that has to do with the fact that fetus, in the current day, do not have rights.


not taking no for an answer is quite on the point.
That you have to ignore the relevancy reveals much about any "point" you are attempting to faust on others.

You know I'm really stuck because I don't know who should make the decision to kill a baby.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Well first i was asking then to explain their position. Next the woman already made a choice.

Probably lots of them. And she'll get to keep on making choices about her own life as a grown adult should.

Somewhat? Neither did blacks back in the day.

You mean fully developed, already born human beings. Yes, that was something that needed to be corrected.

Fetuses aren't that.

Then charge them with rape but not taking no for an answer is irrelevant

 

[Ignatius A]

Probably lots of them. And she'll get to keep on making choices about her own life as a grown adult should.

You mean fully developed, already born human beings. Yes, that was something that needed to be corrected.

Fetuses aren't that.

A baby isn't her own life. But keep trying

 

[McBell]

You know I'm really stuck because I don't know who should make the decision to kill a baby.

Define "baby".

Since we are talking about a medical procedure, I personally prefer medical definitions.

How about you?

 

[SkepticThinker]

A baby isn't her own life. But keep trying

Let me know when you grow up and are able to converse back and forth and respond to points as an adult.

 

[Kathryn]

What are you going on about?

Those aren't any laws that I'm aware of.

Over half the states have "fetal homicide laws."

https://homicidecenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/When-is-the-Death-of-a-Fetus-a-Homicide.pdf

 

[Ignatius A]

Define "baby".

Since we are talking about a medical procedure, I personally prefer medical definitions.

How about you?

A small human

I didn't know baby was a medical procedure.

You do though