About America And Guns.

[oldbadger]

Whether with a 15 round clip or a 75 round clip I'm almost %100 sure it will be non-human targets.

So you have no clues about what anybody is actually exactly going to shoot at with a semi-auto 15 shot assault rifle? .....

 

[oldbadger]

I can bump fire my M1 carbine pretty easy without any special geegaws or gimeracks but why waste the ammo?

Great....... But what exactly does a civilian use a M1 Carbine for?

 

[Stanyon]

Great....... But what exactly does a civilian use a M1 Carbine for?

I also have seven 30 round clips (saves time reloading if you have spares on the range) bought it about 35 years ago and put thousands of rounds through paper targets, bowling pins (the best targets), metal plates, skeet clays suspended with string, etc. but not one round into people- Lots of fun!

 

[oldbadger]

Begging you pardon, I have been doing this work professionally for 30 years. I am duly licensed and certified by my state. How much experience have you had?

Great...... but you clearly don't believe in the gear you fit, you advise prospects not to fit large systems, you don't seem to install anything to insurance specs, you don't seem to know that pro-trained security dogs don't take food from strangers, and you don't seem to know about how to go about reducing and deterring domestic intrusions. ???

And you didn't answer one of the three questions. ???

All those certs and licences don't amount to diddley here, they're just ad hominems. So far your virtual high-value home with high-value contents is wide open, so go on, bring on all that experience, is my suggestion.

And unless you live in a State like Texas it seems as if you cannot just blast away at intrusions suspects, either.

 

[Stanyon]

Great...... but you clearly don't believe in the gear you fit, you advise prospects not to fit large systems, you don't seem to install anything to insurance specs, you don't seem to know that pro-trained security dogs don't take food from strangers, and you don't seem to know about how to go about reducing and deterring domestic intrusions. ???

And you didn't answer one of the three questions. ???

All those certs and licences don't amount to diddley here, they're just ad hominems. So far your virtual high-value home with high-value contents is wide open, so go on, bring on all that experience, is my suggestion.

And unless you live in a State like Texas it seems as if you cannot just blast away at intrusions suspects, either.

Criminals seem to hate the small yappy type dogs over large ones because they bark at everything, keep a small dog for the advance alarm and a bigger one just in case.

 

[oldbadger]

I also have seven 30 round clips (saves time reloading if you have spares on the range) bought it about 35 years ago and put thousands of rounds through paper targets, bowling pins (the best targets), metal plates, skeet clays suspended with string, etc. but not one round into people- Lots of fun!

Do you take part in various competitions, or is your shooting 'fun' shooting?

On the side, how long would it take you to load a 15 round magazine? I'm interested, is all.

Another one: How much does one round cost? I'm interested is all.

 

[oldbadger]

Criminals seem to hate the small yappy type dogs over large ones because they bark at everything, keep a small dog for the advance alarm and a bigger one just in case.

Cool! Great idea.
I know what you mean by yappers. We have two mini-dachshunds and they are yappers. Without them I would miss many callers because I often don't hear the door bell, but they do, and I surely do hear them.

I like warning signs. They cost next to nothing and have a % deterrent value. Values are hard to determine, but even if 'Guard Dog on Premises' signs only have a 25% deterrent value, because they cost very little and only need polishing up occasionally the cost is zilch and the value does exist.

I like auto-sounders linked to external movement detectors. False alarms can happen, but all that does happen is a fairly loud voice calls across an open space, something like ,'Can I help you, mate?' or 'Who the hell are you?' and this cheap gear has value. The list of deterrents is just vast.

 

[Stanyon]

Do you take part in various competitions, or is your shooting 'fun' shooting?
On the side, how long would it take you to load a 15 round magazine? I'm interested, is all.
Another one: How much does one round cost? I'm interested is all.

I have been to a few competitions but I don't shoot enough to be a serious competitor which is about like my golf game
Never timed it, guessing around 30 seconds, I do about five in the hand and use my thumb to feed them in
depends on what and where you buy- $15 for 50 and that is the cheap stuff
My real interest is in muzzleloading, flintlocks, matchlocks, and even have a couple of handgonnes

 

[oldbadger]

I have been to a few competitions but I don't shoot enough to be a serious competitor which is about like my golf game

Fair enough.

Never timed it, guessing around 30 seconds, I do about five in the hand and use my thumb to feed them in

A long time ago I was a wildfowler. I had a pump action shotgun with an adjustable choke. I could shoot 5 or 6 (can't remember) 1.3/8 oz cartridges of BB into a flight of duck or gaggle of geese in as many seconds, but reloading the bloody thing with freezing fingers took forever.

depends on what and where you buy- $15 for 50 and that is the cheap stuff

I expected you to say something like $1 dollar per round, so that's not too bad.

My real interest is in muzzleloading, flintlocks, matchlocks, and even have a couple of handgonnes

Fantastic. I had a muzzleloading 8bore yonks ago. 34" barrel. I was useless with it though, because the lead on a crossing duck was just enormous. Pull trigger, hammer falls, percussion cap fires, charge accelerates down barrel with a whoosh...... yeah.... I was useless with it.
I never did fire either matchlock or flintlock. What actions did the handgonnes have?

 

[Revoltingest]

Hundreds of thousands of gun nuts wanted to arm teachers rather than introduce better gun control. Mr Trump was named in one of those links.

And millions of anti-gun crazies want'm all banned.
So what does it mean if we trade citations of opposite poles of extreme internet clowns?

Well the NRA seems to be advocating or accepting some legislative changes. Is this the leak in the dam?
If the US voters change opinion, then the USA changes course.

The NRA has supported gun control legislation before.
I'm sure they will again.

 

[esmith]

And millions of anti-gun crazies want'm all banned.
So what does it mean if we trade citations of opposite poles of extreme internet clowns?

The NRA has supported gun control legislation before.
I'm sure they will again.

Well they didn't exactly voluntarily supported gun control legislation, I think they saw they had to concede something to insure more drastic measures were not implemented. In other words get out ahead of the game.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well they didn't exactly voluntarily supported gun control legislation, I think they saw they had to concede something to insure more drastic measures were not implemented. In other words get out ahead of the game.

Nonetheless, they do what they do.
Reality is all about useful compromise.

 

[BSM1]

Great...... but you clearly don't believe in the gear you fit, you advise prospects not to fit large systems, you don't seem to install anything to insurance specs, you don't seem to know that pro-trained security dogs don't take food from strangers, and you don't seem to know about how to go about reducing and deterring domestic intrusions. ???

And you didn't answer one of the three questions. ???

All those certs and licences don't amount to diddley here, they're just ad hominems. So far your virtual high-value home with high-value contents is wide open, so go on, bring on all that experience, is my suggestion.

And unless you live in a State like Texas it seems as if you cannot just blast away at intrusions suspects, either.

I've worked with insurance companies, building inspectors, contractors, architects, fire marshals, et al. So you'll forgive me if I say you really don't seem to know exactly what you're talking about.

 

[esmith]

To answer @oldbadger question on cost. It depends if you purchase new, reloaded, or you reload.
For example I can purchase online and have it delivered to my house (wait until they have free shipping)
9mm 115gr RN new $0.1977 a round
9mm 115gr RN re-manufactured $.01873 a round
Both of the above are for practice.
Now if I reload my own (which I do)
9mm 115gr Copper plated RN bullets $39.60 for 500 ($0.0972 ea)
Primers $32.99 for 1000 ($0.03299 ea)
Powder $23.99 lb (can reload around 1300 rounds per pound) ($0.0184 per round)
I do not count brass because I can get all I want and have around 2000 empties which I can reload about 10-15 times)
So total cost per round reloading is approx. $0.15 a round
not counting original outlay for reloading equipment or media for brass cleaning.
Oh membership at the outdoor and indoor range in $100.00 a year for myself and wife (do not use indoor).
Now we shoot a lot of 9mm but also 45ACP and 38special.

 

[Stanyon]

I never did fire either matchlock or flintlock. What actions did the handgonnes have?

A handgonne is the first incarnation of the firearm as we know it today, basically a barrel on a stick. Bought one of the socket types for about $50 that a guy machined and made one of my own by welding a plug in a piece of thick walled 3/4 steel tubing ~.75 calibre and mounted it to a piece of hickory, doesn't make a lot of difference since no one is going to win any IPSC challenges with them and you can always find something that will work for the projectile but fun to shoot regardless.
As far as the mechanism it's basically a piece of burning match cord on a stick or your hand *with a glove* or an S lever. Though this video is completely inaccurate as to how they were actually used in warfare it shows in a comical way the potential of it being used as a deadly assault weapon.

 

[oldbadger]

And millions of anti-gun crazies want'm all banned.

So you think that the arm-teachers suppporters are all crazies.
Interesting.

And I don't believe that there are millions of ban-all-guns folks in the US. Don't believe it. Don't believe it.

So what does it mean if we trade citations of opposite poles of extreme internet clowns?.

I have put up evidence that millions were in support of arm-teachers proposals.
You haven't provided a jot of evidence to show that MILLIONS of folks want ALL guns banned. So far you've shown ONE person. Let's see those millions who want target shooting, vermin shooting, hunting, etc etc banned.

Weak stuff.

 

[oldbadger]

I've worked with insurance companies, building inspectors, contractors, architects, fire marshals, et al. So you'll forgive me if I say you really don't seem to know exactly what you're talking about.

And as you have written in post 91 you didn't believe in the gear!
Read it again your post 91.....

I have always told my customers to invest as little as possible in their security systems. Electronic security systems can be compromised, or owners simply stop using them;

Did all those bodies (above) know about your faith in their specs?

Installation suppliers and engineers are not security experts..... obviously.

 

[oldbadger]

To answer @oldbadger question on cost. It depends if you purchase new, reloaded, or you reload.
For example I can purchase online and have it delivered to my house (wait until they have free shipping)
9mm 115gr RN new $0.1977 a round
9mm 115gr RN re-manufactured $.01873 a round
Both of the above are for practice.
Now if I reload my own (which I do)
9mm 115gr Copper plated RN bullets $39.60 for 500 ($0.0972 ea)
Primers $32.99 for 1000 ($0.03299 ea)
Powder $23.99 lb (can reload around 1300 rounds per pound) ($0.0184 per round)
I do not count brass because I can get all I want and have around 2000 empties which I can reload about 10-15 times)
So total cost per round reloading is approx. $0.15 a round
not counting original outlay for reloading equipment or media for brass cleaning.
Oh membership at the outdoor and indoor range in $100.00 a year for myself and wife (do not use indoor).
Now we shoot a lot of 9mm but also 45ACP and 38special.

Thanks.........

QUESTION:-
Do you use a chronograph to measure the muzzle velocity of bullets?
Yonks ago I reloaded shotgun cartridges but I could never achieve the same velocities.
Are you getting satisfactory results from reloads?

 

[Deeje]

Meanwhile, the fetishization of the 2nd Amendment is a sick and dangerous cultural marker, the effects of which distinguish us from the rest of the civilized world.

Emphasis on the word "civilized" ? Why are Americans so afraid of each other?

What are your Mommas teaching you? Are you fed a steady diet of fear...or what?

Where else would I find a picture like this in a civilized country?

How does that picture go with this one?

I give up? Which one is the illusion?

 

[oldbadger]

A handgonne is the first incarnation of the firearm as we know it today, basically a barrel on a stick. Bought one of the socket types for about $50 that a guy machined and made one of my own by welding a plug in a piece of thick walled 3/4 steel tubing ~.75 calibre and mounted it to a piece of hickory, doesn't make a lot of difference since no one is going to win any IPSC challenges with them and you can always find something that will work for the projectile but fun to shoot regardless.
As far as the mechanism it's basically a piece of burning match cord on a stick or your hand *with a glove* or an S lever. Though this video is completely inaccurate as to how they were actually used in warfare it shows in a comical way the potential of it being used as a deadly assault weapon.

Brilliant! All brilliant!
I don't keep any guns any more....... apart from an 18th century cannon. A real one, and it works, but obviously I must not actually shoot it or it becomes a firearm and I would need licences, certificates, black powder licence, safe (!), etc etc, plus police visits to stare at it in wonder..... UK stuff.
I will photograph it and post a pic later.