Accept your Muslim Immigrants!

[suncowiam]

My English failed me , i am not sure if this OP is pro-refugees or against or what

I used to be a refugee, so yes, I'm pro refugees.

I owe US for the opportunities in my life.

 

[Flankerl]

Really? So everyone in their respective countries are 100% to their ancestors?

The difference is that Canada and the USA get to choose who comes to them and rigorously expels those who do wrong.

European Countries get the vast mass of those who could never ever get to North America. These people are usually not that educated and more conservative. This leads to less integration and Ghettos.
I can go out of the house drive into a Turkish neighbourhood and find Turks who have been living here since the mid 1960s who still speak barely any German rather easily. Not that it would be a good idea to go to a Turkish neighbourhood for me.

Intermingling is usually between a Turkish or Arab male and a native female. Due to him being more conservative the child will grow up as a Turk or Arab and obviously Muslim with a German mother. Usually the mother adapts to the culture of her husband.

Intermingling between a Turkish or Arab female and native male is beyond rare and quite frankly dangerous.


Those who do integrate try to get as far away from areas with lots of Turks or Arabs. These are usually accepted just fine into society.

Given your personal background and your repetitive rhetoric, I feel this is more biased than objective.

You have something to base this on?

Integration is two fold. Acceptance on two sides. Which side do you think my OP is suggesting for?

You can address me like that when I can walk past a Mosque wearing Jewish jewellery or clothing without being harassed (or worse).
Until then the whole "It's all going to be good" is just rather amusing.

 

[suncowiam]

i myself am a migrant to germany. i talk from experience. you probably never went outside your place of birth so you dont know anything apart from what suits your emotional needs.

You are a migrant to germany and you are arguing against other migrants????

Why did the pro-migrant debate end at you then?

 

[MD]

right. but as far as i witnessed the immgrants they were all black haired 'schwarzköpfe' and brown eyed. they all are muslim to the extent that their wives and daughters all wear hijab. there is nothing about them that would show interest in the german culture. they have their preconceived notion of what is right and what is wrong and they stick to it. the africans are the same and i dont even know where they come from. probably nigeria or somewhere like this. the middle easterners clinge to the german girls from youth and i witnessed myself many times where these turks or middle easterners would abuse german girls for money and sex just cause they arent muslim and they are their girlfriend. they make fun of them even though they are in a relationship to these same girls. yeah, funny, right?

I'm talking about Syrian refugees, not immigrants from other countries. I'm black haired and brown eyed, and I don't know what schwarzkopfe means aside from the name of an obese American general. I have dated mostly blonde girls with light eyes, but people still think I'm 'mostly white'. My relatives and friends who have married white people have kids who look 'pure white'. And yes some of those have been girls who have married white guys. So relax. Would you be upset if Sicilian or Portugese guys started moving to Germany and having kids with German women?

The hijab thing is messed up, and I am against it. It is what should concern you rather than a specific phenotype, because even though their descendants will follow a Germanic or European form of Islam, it will still be Islam.

The reason why they date white girls is because tribalism still runs strong in Middle Eastern communities, but do you know how many Middle Eastern girls secretly date white guys? Tonnes.

 

[Flankerl]

The hijab thing is messed up, and I am against it. It is what should concern you rather than a specific phenotype, because even though their descendants will follow a Germanic or European form of Islam, it will still be Islam.

Actually Muslim communities import their Imams from the Muslim world. Turks usually from Turkey and the rest is filled by Arab Imams.

And what they preach is not even close to a European form of Islam.


Also those after the 1st Generation tend to be more religious than the 1st Generation.

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

You are a migrant to germany and you are arguing against other migrants????

Why did the pro-migrant debate end at you then?

Exactly, i myself am atleast partially german, so i dont think anyone should be accepted unless he has german blood running through his veins.

 

[suncowiam]

The difference is that Canada and the USA get to choose who comes to them and rigorously expels those who do wrong.

European Countries get the vast mass of those who could never ever get to North America. These people are usually not that educated and more conservative. This leads to less integration and Ghettos.
I can go out of the house drive into a Turkish neighbourhood and find Turks who have been living here since the mid 1960s who still speak barely any German rather easily. Not that it would be a good idea to go to a Turkish neighbourhood for me.

Intermingling is usually between a Turkish or Arab male and a native female. Due to him being more conservative the child will grow up as a Turk or Arab and obviously Muslim with a German mother. Usually the mother adapts to the culture of her husband.

Intermingling between a Turkish or Arab female and native male is beyond rare and quite frankly dangerous.


Those who do integrate try to get as far away from areas with lots of Turks or Arabs. These are usually accepted just fine into society.





You can address me like that when I can walk past a Mosque wearing Jewish jewellery or clothing without being harassed (or worse).
Until then the whole "It's all going to be good" is just rather amusing.

I'll just assume your correct on your stance. I'm not going to debate you on that but I maintain that acceptance is a two way road. The tricky part is how it can be initiated and maintained. If both sides have fear, bias, and hate, then it simply won't be done.

 

[Godobeyer]

I used to be a refugee, so yes, I'm pro refugees.

I owe US for the opportunities in my life.

thanks for make it clear for me

no one feel your pain except he experience it

thanks for share your story

 

[MD]

Actually Muslim communities import their Imams from the Muslim world. Turks usually from Turkey and the rest is filled by Arab Imams.

And what they preach is not even close to a European form of Islam.


Also those after the 1st Generation tend to be more religious than the 1st Generation.

In North America, many Muslims moved away from the hardcore style and are very liberal in comparison to Middle Eastern and Pakistani Muslims.

I thought the same thing would be happening in Europe, but I guess the demographics and geographic proximity would prevent a shift there.

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

I'm talking about Syrian refugees, not immigrants from other countries. I'm black haired and brown eyed, and I don't know what schwarzkopfe means aside from the name of an obese American general. I have dated mostly blonde girls with light eyes, but people still think I'm 'mostly white'. My relatives and friends who have married white people have kids who look 'pure white'. And yes some of those have been girls who have married white guys. So relax. Would you be upset if Sicilian or Portugese guys started moving to Germany and having kids with German women?

The hijab thing is messed up, and I am against it. It is what should concern you rather than a specific phenotype, because even though their descendants will follow a Germanic or European form of Islam, it will still be Islam.

The reason why they date white girls is because tribalism still runs strong in Middle Eastern communities, but do you know how many Middle Eastern girls secretly date white guys? Tonnes.

i dont know about you but i am young and i only met young foreigners throughout my life. and they all were very religious and all dated german girls, which they abused for money or sex. honestly i never met a turk who hasnt done so. for them its a heaven of sex and finances. one turk asked his girlfriend for 100€ and she gave it to him right away while the guy was making fun of her after that incident talking to me.

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

The difference is that Canada and the USA get to choose who comes to them and rigorously expels those who do wrong.

European Countries get the vast mass of those who could never ever get to North America. These people are usually not that educated and more conservative. This leads to less integration and Ghettos.
I can go out of the house drive into a Turkish neighbourhood and find Turks who have been living here since the mid 1960s who still speak barely any German rather easily. Not that it would be a good idea to go to a Turkish neighbourhood for me.

Intermingling is usually between a Turkish or Arab male and a native female. Due to him being more conservative the child will grow up as a Turk or Arab and obviously Muslim with a German mother. Usually the mother adapts to the culture of her husband.

Intermingling between a Turkish or Arab female and native male is beyond rare and quite frankly dangerous.


Those who do integrate try to get as far away from areas with lots of Turks or Arabs. These are usually accepted just fine into society.





You can address me like that when I can walk past a Mosque wearing Jewish jewellery or clothing without being harassed (or worse).
Until then the whole "It's all going to be good" is just rather amusing.

youre also german? where do you live? south, east, west, north?

 

[Flankerl]

In North America, many Muslims moved away from the hardcore style and are very liberal in comparison to Middle Eastern and Pakistani Muslims.

I thought the same thing would be happening in Europe, but I guess the demographics and geographic proximity would prevent a shift there.

It has happened on a very small scale. For example police officers with a Turkish or Arab background move far away from the Ghettos and ensure that their children grow up around natives. Usually in villages.

But in the cities this does not happen. In the bigger cities they have even their own judges who sometimes learn it from their Fathers and Grandfathers. The people will never call the police, strife between families will be settled by these so called "Peace Judges" and if that doesn't work violence is the only way.
Obviously their work is not legal according to proper law.

It is only going to get worse. That is not pessimism but realism.

youre also german? where do you live? south, east, west, north?

Austrian living in Western Germany.

 

[Lyndon]

Exactly, i myself am atleast partially german, so i dont think anyone should be accepted unless he has german blood running through his veins.

Seems to me from your posts that your attitude towards Muslims living in Germany, isn't that different from the pre war attitude of Germans towards Jews. Hatred is hatred, and ugly indeed.

 

[Quetzal]

The difference is that Canada and the USA get to choose who comes to them and rigorously expels those who do wrong.

We have immigration policies just as any other nation might have. Any sovereign nation is free to choose who they let into their countries. If you do not agree with yours, lobby for it to be changed.

European Countries get the vast mass of those who could never ever get to North America. These people are usually not that educated and more conservative. This leads to less integration and Ghettos.

One could argue that our Hispanic population also fits into this. If you are suggesting more restrictions to keep those you don't think are worth it out, that is on you. But I will go on the record to say it is a very selfish view.

I can go out of the house drive into a Turkish neighbourhood and find Turks who have been living here since the mid 1960s who still speak barely any German rather easily. Not that it would be a good idea to go to a Turkish neighbourhood for me.

Why not?

Intermingling is usually between a Turkish or Arab male and a native female. Due to him being more conservative the child will grow up as a Turk or Arab and obviously Muslim with a German mother. Usually the mother adapts to the culture of her husband.

Intermingling between a Turkish or Arab female and native male is beyond rare and quite frankly dangerous.


Those who do integrate try to get as far away from areas with lots of Turks or Arabs. These are usually accepted just fine into society.

You are using a lot of confirmation bias here. What if the German government decided to have you removed back to Austria under the reasoning that an Austrian community rioted on the other side of the country. That wouldn't be fair to you, you had nothing to do with that. That wasn't your fault, right? Many immigrants moving around in and to Europe are migrating for a reason and for you to deny them and say their reasoning is invalid on the grounds that previous immigrants acted in a certain way is unacceptable.

 

[Jumi]

I'm fine with all refugees as long as they aren't criminals, extremist wanting to force their values on us or seeking to just enjoy welfare. Interestingly maybe to @suncowiam the Vietnamese here have a very good reputation, they have less unemployment than native population and have proven a strength here.

 

[suncowiam]

I'm fine with all refugees as long as they aren't criminals, extremist wanting to force their values on us or seeking to just enjoy welfare. Interestingly maybe to @suncowiam the Vietnamese here have a very good reputation, they have less unemployment than native population and have proven a strength here.

Thanks Jumi.

Where are you from?

 

[MD]

One could argue that our Hispanic population also fits into this. If you are suggesting more restrictions to keep those you don't think are worth it out, that is on you. But I will go on the record to say it is a very selfish view.

Actually Hispanic culture is much more in line with American culture than Islamic culture is in line with European.

1) Hispanics speak a European language and can transition to English much faster
2) Large hispanic population area have been a part of America for centuries, and were part of Mexico before that. American culture has had hispanic influence for a long time.
3) Hispanics are Roman Catholic, just like Italians, Irish, Poles, etc. 2nd and 3rd generation Hispanics go to mixed catholic churches. America still has a majority practicing and cultural Christian population, while Islamic and European values are two opposite ends of a spectrum.
4) America is a land of immigrants, and quite frankly one can argue that since many Hispanics are part amerindian, we are the outsiders and they are the originals.
5) There's a big difference between immigrants, refugees and illegal aliens.

 

[Jumi]

Thanks Jumi.

Where are you from?

Finland.

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

Seems to me from your posts that your attitude towards Muslims living in Germany, isn't that different from the pre war attitude of Germans towards Jews. Hatred is hatred, and ugly indeed.

I had many muslim friends, turks, kurds and arabs when going to school and there was no problem. I didnt even criticize their attitude towards girls. And as far as hatred is concerned i never, in my entire life, have felt hatred for anything. Dislike, sure but this is not an overwhelming feeling.

It has happened on a very small scale. For example police officers with a Turkish or Arab background move far away from the Ghettos and ensure that their children grow up around natives. Usually in villages.

But in the cities this does not happen. In the bigger cities they have even their own judges who sometimes learn it from their Fathers and Grandfathers. The people will never call the police, strife between families will be settled by these so called "Peace Judges" and if that doesn't work violence is the only way.
Obviously their work is not legal according to proper law.

It is only going to get worse. That is not pessimism but realism.





Austrian living in Western Germany.

Ruhrpott?

 

[Augustus]

it never occurs that muslim women become christian and stop wearing hijab in muslim countries.

I know several Muslim to Christian converts, none actually wore the hijab though so they couldn't stop wearing it.

In North America, many Muslims moved away from the hardcore style... I thought the same thing would be happening in Europe,

I'm not sure they 'moved away' from it, more likely they never had it in the first place. US Muslims tend to be middle/upper middle class whereas the majority of European Muslims are working class and were wanted to provide cheap labour.