ACT test scores for US students drop to new 30-year low

[Twilight Hue]

You take a skilled carpenter, put them in an old workshop with inferior and dated equipment, give them neglected materials, and ask them to build a house while criticizing, observing, legislating, and expecting them to take classes, you cannot do a walkthrough and then compare it to other craftsman expecting a superior product.

You also cannot find examples of bad craftsman and, given the conditions above, declare all carpenters must be bad.

Too late. Scores are already called bad. That means worse people are going to be doing the work and will be far less quality than it ought to be.

That needs to be fixed and it's certainly not more money to be thrown at it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

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Average rent in NYC is over 3K a month.

In NYC. Not elsewhere in the state.

No rental should be $36,000 year. That is just pure raping people for their money.

Scary part is in Manhattan it's almost double at close to $6,000 a month.

 

[Orbit]

In NYC. Not elsewhere in the state.

No rental should be $36,000 year. That is just pure raping people for their money.

Scary part is in Manhattan it's almost double at close to $6,000 a month.

There are 1,867 schools within NYC as of Fall 2022, including 275 charter schools in NYC. That's a lot of teachers who have to pay those rents. And prices are not low in relation to pay outside of NYC.

Teacher pay is too low to cover cost of living expenses in general, for anyone, in any state.

Source: DOE Data at a Glance

 

[F1fan]

In NYC. Not elsewhere in the state.

No rental should be $36,000 year. That is just pure raping people for their money.

Scary part is in Manhattan it's almost double at close to $6,000 a month.

That's Capitalism. If you want Socialism let us know. Until then citizens need to make living wages WHERE they live.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's Capitalism. If you want Socialism let us know. Until then citizens need to make living wages WHERE they live.

Socialism isn't any better a solution than capitalism is.

Truth be told its a healthy mix of free market economics and social programs designed to balance, not dominate.

 

[F1fan]

Socialism isn't any better a solution than capitalism is.

Then stop complaining. You offer no solutions that will fix anything you ***** about.

Truth be told its a healthy mix of free market economics and social programs designed to balance, not dominate.

Then why complain about wages that have to fit the local markets and economy?

 

[Yerda]

I keep seeing this weird thing where countries that went mental with decades of neoliberal attacks on public services have really poor public services.

It's like...places where people vote for politicians who promise to wreck the things that the common good depends upon...are somehow seeing the degradation of these things...

....promise to wreck public goods...worse public goods....

Nope. Can't quite put my finger on the connection.

 

[Yerda]

Guys!

This is going to sound like such a freaky coincidence...but the weirdos in Finland have been properly funding education at all levels. And by some incredibly unlikely and impossible to predict state of affairs they have a really good education system.

They even pay their teachers properly (and expect them to have masters degrees - which, listen to this...they can obtain for free! Nuts).

The mystery deepens.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Then stop complaining. You offer no solutions that will fix anything you ***** about.

Then why complain about wages that have to fit the local markets and economy?

Not complaining. Making a statement.

 

[vulcanlogician]

ACT test scores for US students drop to new 30-year low

I agree, this is troubling. But I don't think it counts as a failure of our public education system. Let's just examine the phrase, "30 year low." So 30 years ago it was this bad then, right? That's the 90s. Hardly some dystopian hellscape.

I think that some college has become too easy. If ACT scores are dropping, college is the place that can fix that. And they OUGHT to fix it.

I'm sure most colleges do an adequate job at remedying it because we are complaining about ACT scores, not the quality of education received by college graduates. But there is an issue forming there. As I said before, college classes are becoming too easy. I think we ought to focus on how college education can remedy this situation (because THAT'S where it needs to happen, and then also focus on making a quality University education accessible to all.

 

[We Never Know]

I agree, this is troubling. But I don't think it counts as a failure of our public education system. Let's just examine the phrase, "30 year low." So 30 years ago it was this bad then, right? That's the 90s. Hardly some dystopian hellscape.

I think that some college has become too easy. If ACT scores are dropping, college is the place that can fix that. And they OUGHT to fix it.

I'm sure most colleges do an adequate job at remedying it because we are complaining about ACT scores, not the quality of education received by college graduates. But there is an issue forming there. As I said before, college classes are becoming too easy. I think we ought to focus on how college education can remedy this situation (because THAT'S where it needs to happen, and then also focus on making a quality University education accessible to all.

Isn't the ACT test taken for college admission?
So system is broke before college.

 

[vulcanlogician]

It isn't a race to the bottom.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Too late. Scores are already called bad.

Let's back up a bit. You are making broad assumptions about educators and the abilities of students based on the average results of an exam. An exam can only tell you so much about a person's ability. Primarily, an exam tells you how well a person can take an exam. While it gives insight into a person's knowledge of subject areas, educators will tell you that they don't say a whole heck of a lot about the person or what they can do, aside from their ability to manage the subject matter in an exam form on that particular day in that particular environment.

I am very sceptical about a lot of successful, intelligent, and capable people's ability to do well on standardized tests without preparing for them. Consider that.

That means worse people are going to be doing the work and will be far less quality than it ought to be.

How do you arrive at that conclusion?

That needs to be fixed and it's certainly not more money to be thrown at it.

There's a lot that needs fixing, I will agree. Broadly declaring students are incapable and teachers are crap from the results of standardized testing isn't helpful in that endeavor.

 

[Watchmen]

Over a thousand dollars a week is not low.

It’s relative.

 

[Subduction Zone]

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Average rent in NYC is over 3K a month.

And those are going to be fairly small apartments. I remember when my sister lived there and she and her now husband were excited when their bathroom in their new place had a sink.

 

[Altfish]

Moral of the story....

Crap teachers put out crap students.

Another moral, treat you teachers like cr*p and pay them peanuts you get poor teachers.

 

[Kenny]

Oh great. Just in time to want and demand more money with golden high end benefits. Again.

You know. It's for the children.

Screw US. It's a hopeless cause with this pathetic generation. Too busy making selfies and begging people to like, ring the bell, and subscribe. Heh heh heh.....


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Moral of the story....

Crap teachers put out crap students.

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[Subduction Zone]

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[Twilight Hue]

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It is, and proves how worthless and useless our public education system has become.

It's good to know that some intelligent and fed up parents are finally fighting back and taking charge in removing their kids away from the destructive modern day Komsomol, and rearing them on their own terms to be productive and smart students that can actually enter higher education with an advantage rather than having their heads filled with useless information that contributes nothing towards academics necessary for good careers and the ability to keep them.

The pandemic helped open people's eyes on its effectiveness.

Let the proofs speak for itself.

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[Shadow Wolf]

The hard truth is that we are not doing enough to ensure that graduates are truly ready for postsecondary success in college and career," said Janet Godwin, chief executive officer for the nonprofit ACT.

That's been America's approach for a very long time now. It caters to averages and norms and assumes we're all incompetent and unable. Even during the 40s and 50s and it was decided college preparedness would be shirked and students going to college can just play catch up amd learn then, freeing everyone else of the burden of learning.
During WWII the US military was concerned about the poor math abilities of the average American high school student as that doesn't bode well for the military who's jobs and missions often and heavily revolve around numbers and math.
It's nothijy new, covid isn't to blame but centuries of anti-intellectualism that has been a long lived feature of mainstream American culture.