ACT test scores for US students drop to new 30-year low

[Orbit]

Yes… but I have observed on campus that there are people who haven’t been homeschooled who get high, drunk and have radical ideas that other people view as “well adjusted”.

What a bizarre response. It's a total non-sequitur. Do they have "radical ideas" like that gay people are human? Or????

 

[We Never Know]

Can Homeschoolers Do Well in College?

There is a paucity of research on whether homeschool students do well, but a new study suggests that they fared better in college than their classmates.

www.cbsnews.com

New Harvard Study: Homeschoolers Turn Out Happy, Well-Adjusted, and Engaged

“The picture of the home-schooled student that emerges from the data doesn’t resemble the socially awkward and ignorant stereotype to which Ms. Bartholet and others appeal,” wrote Harvard researchers in a recent piece for the Wall Street Journal.

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From your first link. I would call that crediable.

"A new study published in The Journal of College Admission suggests that homeschool students enjoy higher ACT scores, grade point averages and graduation rates compared with other college students. The finding are especially interesting because there has been a paucity of research focused on how homeschooled students fare in college."

 

[Orbit]

"If actual education is the point"

Well you did say "unprepared academically"..

I remember standardized tests from elementary school. We had to take them, but they weren't emphasized as the ultimate goal ,and teachers were allowed to teach in a way that was tailored to their students. This was the early 1970s. I had a great education in the public schools, which I completed in 1982. It fell apart after that, I think, when they started increasing class sizes.

 

[Kenny]

What a bizarre response. It's a total non-sequitur. Do they have "radical ideas" like that gay people are human? Or????

I’m sorry, are you homophobic? Why do you assume “radical” refers to people who have decided to live in same-sex relationships?

Talking about bizarre response… that was the farthest thing in my mind. I was thinking of those with communist/socialist anti-conservative violent ideologies.

 

[Kenny]

From your first link. I would call that crediable.

"A new study published in The Journal of College Admissionsuggests that homeschool students enjoy higher ACT scores, grade point averages and graduation rates compared with other college students. The finding are especially interesting because there has been a paucity of research focused on how homeschooled students fare in college."

And yet, for some reason, people react to the facts as if it was a plague. I never understood the reaction to these empirical and verifiable statistics.

 

[Orbit]

I’m sorry, are you homophobic? Why do you assume “radical” refers to people who have decided to live in same-sex relationships?

Talking about bizarre response… that was the farthest thing in my mind. I was thinking of those with communist/socialist anti-conservative violent ideologies.

Not being conservative is being radical? What a strange world you live in.

 

[We Never Know]

And yet, for some reason, people react to the facts as if it was a plague. I never understood the reaction to these empirical and verifiable statistics.

I'm curious if the two posters who said post something credible will reply to it.
I'm guessing it will get a hand wave since its from 2010.

 

[F1fan]

Hardly - it’s statistical… We are breaking the mold and creating free thinkers.

We? Conservative Christians? Let me know when the high majority of them accept evolution and can question the existence of God.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No… I don’t think I need to. Other people gave sites. This sound more like “I don’t want to agree no matter what evidence there is"

Did anyone give anything about homeschooling? If not your comment is without merit.

And no, you are projecting again in your last sentence. I did not say anything good or bad about homeschooling. I merely pointed out that you used a source that appears to be highly prejudiced and therefore useless site. Just as site that was overseen the teacher's union be for supporting public education. To be taken seriously one needs a neutral site. And a slam dunk is when one finds a site that would normally be against you and yet still supports you.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Clearly your wrong as students must pass regents like everyone else does for the HS diploma.

Yup. Most of which is in the format of standardized testing, which is also tied to federal (the idea of "teaching the test" comes from). It's all mostly rote memory with them (the exception being math which) and homeschooling often does exceptionally well with that.
But how to evaluate and use information? That's where it's lacking and struggles and ultimately problematic. You know lots of stuff and can recall tons of things, but winning Jeopardy is about the only way you know how to use it.
Critical and independent thought are also stiffled in the process. You know it by the book like a recent college grad who has misplaced confidence in knowing it like it is in the book. But the college grad has usually (we hope) learned to take the initiative to learn to troubleshoot and resolve problems. Homeschooling is notorious for not teaching how to learn to connect A to B when in it's not on paper.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Hardly - it’s statistical… We are breaking the mold and creating free thinkers.

I see they are still going on about how being a mainstream and dominant cultural force and part of a much larger majority makes them free thinkers.

 

[We Never Know]

Clearly your wrong as students must pass regents like everyone else does for the HS diploma.

Additionally the costs of homeschooling are miniscule compared with the excessive bloat of lucrative educational systems preying on the taxpayers wallets further exemplifying the sheer uselessness of public schools which ought to be disbanded and eliminated outright and left in parents capable hands.

Here's a hypothetical.....

The No Child Left Behind Act penalized schools that didn't show improvement. Maybe instead of actual achieving improvement and pass rate, it was pushing the pen to pass everyone to avoid being penalized thus in the long run actually hurting the students instead of helping them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

From your first link. I would call that crediable.

"A new study published in The Journal of College Admissionsuggests that homeschool students enjoy higher ACT scores, grade point averages and graduation rates compared with other college students. The finding are especially interesting because there has been a paucity of research focused on how homeschooled students fare in college."

That is very possible. One thing that does improve the ACT scores of any student is parents taking an interest in the education of their children. And I will admit that most home schoolers are very interested in that. I could find some insane exceptions, but exceptions do not prove anything. There are even more of such exceptions from public schools just because they are a much higher percentage of the students.

 

[Kenny]

Not being conservative is being radical? What a strange world you live in.

Do you have selective reading? I said “violent”. Nothing wrong with having a differing point of view

 

[Kenny]

I see they are still going on about how being a mainstream and dominant cultural force and part of a much larger majority makes them free thinkers.

When public schools push ideology instead of reading, writing, arithmetic et al - it does tend to make people robots instead of free-thinkers

 

[PureX]

Home schooling is just a stupid idea on the face of it, as few parents are qualified to do it. And the result will be an overall woefully uneducated public.

If our public schools are failing, we need to fix them. Because we desperately need an educated pupulace going into the future. The fact that people even think home schooling is a good solution only serves to show how woefully stupid we have already become.

 

[Subduction Zone]

When public schools push ideology instead of reading, writing, arithmetic et al - it does tend to make people robots instead of free-thinkers

What "ideology" are you talking about?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Home schooling is just a stupid idea on the face of it, as few parents are qualified to do it. And the result will be an overall woefully uneducated public.

If our public schools are failing, we need to fix them. Because we desperately need an educated pupulace going into the future. The fact that people even think home schooling is a good solution only serves to show how woefully stupid we have already become.

Pure BS.

The facts so far suggest otherwise.

Can Homeschoolers Do Well in College?

There is a paucity of research on whether homeschool students do well, but a new study suggests that they fared better in college than their classmates.

www.cbsnews.com

Harvard researchers: Homeschoolers fare better personally than public school students

A recently released Harvard study shows that homeschooled students experience numerous benefits over their public-school counterparts, making them happier, healthier, more virtuous, and more likely to thrive personally as young adults. Quick Facts The study, conducted by Harvard’s Human...

www.standingforfreedom.com

Parents are doing a far better job than useless and worthless so called 'qualified' professional educators in public education.

 

[PureX]

Pure BS.

The facts so far suggest otherwise.

Can Homeschoolers Do Well in College?

There is a paucity of research on whether homeschool students do well, but a new study suggests that they fared better in college than their classmates.

www.cbsnews.com

Harvard researchers: Homeschoolers fare better personally than public school students

A recently released Harvard study shows that homeschooled students experience numerous benefits over their public-school counterparts, making them happier, healthier, more virtuous, and more likely to thrive personally as young adults. Quick Facts The study, conducted by Harvard’s Human...

www.standingforfreedom.com

Parents are doing a far better job than useless and worthless so called 'qualified' professional educators in public education.

Your bias is blinding you to simple observation and common sense. And all your lying right wing-nut links don't justify any of this idiocy. In fact, it serves to prove the point that we really need to fix our public education so the generations of the future are not so easily deceived by bias and prejudice as you are.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your bias is blinding you to simple observation and common sense. And all your lying right wing-nut links don't justify any of this idiocy. In fact, it serves to prove the point that we really need to fix our public education so the generations of the future are not so easily deceived by bias and prejudice as you are.

I would not call CBS "right wing". But they seemed more open to the idea that there could be more than one explanation. I probably could find studies if required, but I think that we all agree that parents positive involvement with education will help their children in their studies. And homeschoolers have to be very involved. The question that we cannot really answer is "would these children have done better in public school?" After all, their parents would have still be giving them the positive feedback that they need whether they were in public school or homeschool.

And what our conservative members do not realize is that today most parents cannot homeschool Far too many families have to have both parents working to make a living. So we are in a way comparing two very disparate groups.