African Americans can be white supremacist apparently.

[Shadow Wolf]

No, they're not. They are devoted to freedom and liberty, both of which are compromised when fascists are around. As for peaceful solutions, they have the right idea. Peaceful solutions are for the ones too weak to fight for what they believe in.

Being devoted to peace and freedom isn't calling a black man who is making strides in bringing people out of racism and renouncing there hateful ways a white supremacists.
And peaceful solutions are for the ones too weak to fight? Then what was Bruce Lee? Was he not really a pacifist even though he believed in exhausting all possible options for peace before resorting to violence and that having to fight was to lose? Or was he really just not that strong and a weakling who couldn't defend himself?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

He is. People that think he is right wing are usually far left communist. So it's not surprising you think the is right wing.

The addressing the first half of a sentence without any refutation of the actual post is telling

 

[Enoch07]

No, they're not.

The FBI disagrees with you.

US security agencies label Antifa 'domestic terrorists'

Antifa has been monitored since for several years now because of arson/assault.

 

[Enoch07]

The addressing the first half of a sentence without any refutation of the actual post is telling

No need to, the article refutes itself because it's taken out of context.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Being devoted to peace and freedom isn't calling a black man who is making strides in bringing people out of racism and renouncing there hateful ways a white supremacists.
And peaceful solutions are for the ones too weak to fight? Then what was Bruce Lee? Was he not really a pacifist even though he believed in exhausting all possible options for peace before resorting to violence and that having to fight was to lose? Or was he really just not that strong and a weakling who couldn't defend himself?

If we want to look at actual criticisms of the method rather than Facebook comment cherry picking, you starts to get into the same sort of well-worn territory that has existed since MLK vs Malcom X and Popper's Paradox. How much can you 'respectfully disagree' with someone who wants to end lives out of baseless hatred? At what point does passivity become acquiescence?
There's a worthwhile discussion to be had there, but not with starting out with 'look atwhat the left are doing!' As per the OP article.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, they're not. They are devoted to freedom and liberty, both of which are compromised when fascists are around. As for peaceful solutions, they have the right idea. Peaceful solutions are for the ones too weak to fight for what they believe in.

And, BTW, might is right and peace for the weak is a trait of the dictators and tyrants of the "political north." Those regarded as the best fighters and greatest military minds, they often would move mountains to pursue peace before resorting to violence. "Those too weak to fight" is what the Romans and British said as they ransacked Europe and the world.

 

[Enoch07]

Roaming Millennial built a career out of mocking social justice and defending the far-right.

Nothing wrong with that. SJWs need to be mocked and humiliated.

She has had white-nationalists like Richard Spencer and Tara Mccarthy on her show.

So?!? Hitler was shown on MSNBC, guess that means they are Nazis as well.

We see through your lazy attempts to provide cover for the far-right filth you surround yourself with.

You mean centrist.

She's only a centrist if you think centrism is finding the perfect balance between attacking the left and defending the right

Not a bad assessment, though attacking the right time to time as well is apart of it.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

No need to, the article refutes itself because it's taken out of context.

That's not a rebuttal either.

 

[Enoch07]

There's a worthwhile discussion to be had there, but not with starting out with 'look atwhat the left are doing.

You mean "look at what the far left are doing".

The worthwhile discussion was at the "Ending Racism" conference that was almost shut down due to far left threats of arson and violence.

 

[Enoch07]

That's not a rebuttal either.

Yes it is. If something is taken out of context to be used as evidence it is a fallacy, so therefore not evidence to begin with.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

The FBI disagrees with you.

US security agencies label Antifa 'domestic terrorists'

Antifa has been monitored since for several years now because of arson/assault.

I guess maybe they shouod think about doing the same for MAGA demonstrators.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How much can you 'respectfully disagree' with someone who wants to end lives out of baseless hatred?

How often does returning hate with hate fix things? There do come times when things collapse, but in the case of Davis a lot of the Klansmembers haven't really even known a black person, they haven't had their views challenged, and Davis is acting as a lifeline of sorts when so many have abandoned people to their hate (sort of like when people give up on trying to bring an Evangelical literalist out of a toxic religion, stating it can't be done and it's not worth it). Obviously if the lynch mob is coming then talking things out peacefully may not be an option, or "respectfully disagree" is probably not an interests, but there are numerous opportunities before it gets to that where respectful disagreement can open up new avenues of conversation in a person's life.

 

[Enoch07]

Was Hitler invited to speak on MSNBC and spread their worldview in a non-antagonistic environment?
No? Then the comparison falls short. Who could'a guessed.

Irrelevant, the point is to show the others pov. Showing another point of view doesn't equate to condoning it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Woberts is not saying that might makes right.
Blatant and deliberate distortion of what they are saying.

Not really, as he effectively said those who desire peace are weak, can't defend themselves, and are wrong.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Yes it is. If something is taken out of context to be used as evidence it is a fallacy, so therefore not evidence to begin with.

Saying 'this is taken out of context' is no more a rebuttal than 'this is a fallacy.' Ironically enough it's actually an example of the fallacy of fallacies because it's shutting down an a conclusion that may not be incorrect. But further, just declaring 'context!' Or 'fallacy!' is a nonargument. You have to explain what, how and why it's out of context and if or how it would affect the conclusion in a meaningful way.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

You mean "look at what the far left are doing".

Your article is literally titled 'left wing activists.'

 

[Enoch07]

Saying 'this is taken out of context' is no more a rebuttal than 'this is a fallacy.' Ironically enough it's actually an example of the fallacy of fallacies because it's shutting down an a conclusion that may not be incorrect. But further, just declaring 'context!' Or 'fallacy!' is a nonargument. You have to explain what, how and why it's out of context and if or how it would affect the conclusion in a meaningful way.

The link he provided doesn't even work.....


So how can I provide the exact way it's out of context without it?

But here is what he said as far as Jewish peiple.

"While on a panel in New York City in 2018, he said: "Jewish people, unfortunately for them, have got to drop the identity politics."

So yeah that why it's taken out out of context. Because he opposes the identity politics, not the Jews themselves. But dishonest people on the far left love to take quotes out of context and use it to lie about folks.

 

[Enoch07]

Your article is literally titled 'left wing activists.'

Sorry I don't work for that publication. I didn't decide the name of the article. Contact the publisher if you have a problem with it.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

How often does returning hate with hate fix things? There do come times when things collapse, but in the case of Davis a lot of the Klansmembers haven't really even known a black person, they haven't had their views challenged, and Davis is acting as a lifeline of sorts when so many have abandoned people to their hate (sort of like when people give up on trying to bring an Evangelical literalist out of a toxic religion, stating it can't be done and it's not worth it). Obviously if the lynch mob is coming then talking things out peacefully may not be an option, or "respectfully disagree" is probably not an interests, but there are numerous opportunities before it gets to that where respectful disagreement can open up new avenues of conversation in a person's life.

He's admitted that he's been physically attacked and that he's still friends with people who are still in the Klan and have no intent on leaving. I wonder what the actual percentage of people he affected after meeting them was, because if we knew that I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that it wasn't at all worth it. Because if you have to be passive to all hateful ideology to bring even 1% out, that means 99% are actively harming others.

For anyone not familiar, here's the Popper's Paradox of Tolerence:

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Sorry I don't work for that publication.

I never said you did, I specifically said "the OP's article."