African Americans can be white supremacist apparently.

[dianaiad]

I mean the non rapist is a better choice, to be sure. But if one has to defend a politician by saying, well at least he’s not a rapist, is that really a ringing endorsement?

It is when the topic is rape.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy he’s not a rapist, good for the Donald. But that sort of sounds like you had even a worse choice of candidates than even we did. And you guys actually choose to vote. We have to be literally coerced into it.

Hmnnn. That's pretty sad.

I might be a bit young to remember Clinton. He’s the source of the “I did not have sexual relations with those women” soundbite, right?

Yep, that's him.

I actually have a couple of problems with him that float to the top of the scummy soup. The sexual misconduct thing, but also the grand land grab he did in Utah during his administration (that has since, thankfully, starting to be undone). THAT one did a lot more damage to more people, both native American and the later settlers, than anything he personally did in the Oval orifice.

but since it was done in the name of environmentalism and protecting wilderness lands, nobody protested. Except, of course, the people and native Americans whose land he grabbed....and then mismanaged and ignored.

Never mind, hot button.

 

[Enoch07]

Riiiiight, so anyone in the world that is Anti-Fascist is far-left. You got some weird beliefs of the world.

Not talking about the world. Talking about in the context of the U.S. also anyone who is anti-facist is not antifa. If that was true antifa wouldn't be such damn fascist.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I dunno enough about him to agree or disagree. But I'll take your word for it.

It's a way he frequently introduces himself.

 

[tytlyf]

Not talking about the world. Talking about in the context of the U.S. also anyone who is anti-facist is not antifa. If that was true antifa wouldn't be such damn fascist.

I'd wager the large majority of Americans are Anti-Fascist. Antifa only shows up when fascists show up. I appreciate what they're doing. Standing up to a fascist movement that's growing in America.

Methinks you don't understand what the word "Fascism" means. It's a RW ideology by definition. Look it up, don't be lazy.

Next you're going to tell me George Orwell was a conservative

 

[Enoch07]

Antifa only shows up when fascists show up.

That's true, even if antifa is the only ones standing in the room.

Methinks you don't understand what the word "Fascism" means.

Sure I do, looks at antifa. They use lies, fear, propaganda, coercion, and violence to enforce their ideology. Antifa is fascism. In Berkeley for example businesses that don't want to be burned to the ground can display antifa propaganda signage in their windows. Any business that doesn't do this is fair game to be destroyed/burned down. This is the coercion I speak of for example. Any ideology that has merit, doesn't need to use coercion, or hide behind mask.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Sure I do, looks at antifa. They use lies, fear, propaganda, coercion, and violence to enforce their ideology. Antifa is fascism. In Berkeley for example businesses that don't want to be burned to the ground can display antifa propaganda signage in their windows. Any business that doesn't do this is fair game to be destroyed/burned down. This is the coercion I speak of for example. Any ideology that has merit, doesn't need to use coercion, or hide behind mask.

That's actually not at all in any way how Fascism is defined.

 

[Enoch07]

That's actually not at all in any way how Fascism is defined.

Of course not. But I'm not defining fascim. I am listing the tactics used. And antifa uses the same tactics, therefore they are fascist.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Of course not. But I'm not defining fascim. I am listing the tactics used. And antifa uses the same tactics, therefore they are fascist.

Those tactics you listed are very common throughout many extremist groups. If that's how you define it, you may as well throughout everything Mussolini said about it and label every single tyrant regime as Fascist.

 

[tytlyf]

That's true, even if antifa is the only ones standing in the room.

Riiiiight, Antifa holds protests when far-right people are absent.

Sure I do, looks at antifa. They use lies, fear, propaganda, coercion, and violence to enforce their ideology. Antifa is fascism. In Berkeley for example businesses that don't want to be burned to the ground can display antifa propaganda signage in their windows. Any business that doesn't do this is fair game to be destroyed/burned down. This is the coercion I speak of for example. Any ideology that has merit, doesn't need to use coercion, or hide behind mask.

That's not what Fascism is.

Fascism
Often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

You see, I'm a democratic socialist myself. Those on the right are nationalistic socialists. I'll take democratic over nationalistic any day.

 

[Enoch07]

Those tactics you listed are very common throughout many extremist groups. If that's how you define it, you may as well throughout everything Mussolini said about it and label every single tyrant regime as Fascist.

Not like words have meaning anymore anyways. Simply redefine it to suit your needs, that's the progressive way!

 

[Enoch07]

Riiiiight, Antifa holds protests when far-right people are absent.

Right over your head.

That's not what Fascism is.

I never said it was. I said they use fascist tactics, there they are fascist.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not like words have meaning anymore anyways. Simply redefine it to suit your needs, that's the progressive way!

So then Conservatives are not, as we type, labeling people boycotting businesses as Fascists?

 

[Enoch07]

So then Conservatives are not, as we type, labeling people boycotting businesses as Fascists?

I have no idea.

 

[Shad]

I agree, but we have the left, center, and right all meeting to discuss possible ideas to combat racism. Yet the far left tried to stop it. So that's what I'm talking about. Most folks are tired of the fighting, but some do not want peace.

Antifa are comprised of radicals. Radicals tend not to be open to dialogue

 

[Shad]

Jews on the left that support Palestine are traitors. They should be criticized.

This is identity politics as you ascribe loyalty to a nation-state based solely on the label Jew isn't of Israeli.

It would be if he thought so.

His acceptance is not required.

Uh yes, that's why it's a bad thing.

No. You are confusing priority with supremacy.

Having love for people of his faith isn't identity politics. You can defend people without being an Identitarian.

Wrong.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I have no idea.

Yup. There's even a thread about it. People want to practice their Constitutional rights, and Conservatives especially are screaming they are Fascist.
No matter how much you want to believe otherwise, radicals and pudding brains exist all over. It's not exclusively or inherently a Left or Right problem.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Jews on the left that support Palestine are traitors.

Does freedom of thought not extend to the Jews? And who are you to decide and declare who, if anyone, is a "Jewish traitor?"

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Antifa only shows up when fascists show up.

How many of them vote? Ya know, when combating things like Fascism really matters, really counts, and is really important?

 

[Enoch07]

Wrong.

I support and defend qual rights for LGBT.

Problem is I am not LGBT.

So you are wrong.

 

[Enoch07]

Yup. There's even a thread about it. People want to practice their Constitutional rights, and Conservatives especially are screaming they are Fascist.
No matter how much you want to believe otherwise, radicals and pudding brains exist all over. It's not exclusively or inherently a Left or Right problem.

I agree, but the right is not suppressing the lefts ability to speak with violence. Sure an occasional zealot will be violent on other side. But you don't see 50-500-1,000 right wingers burn down homes, cars and businesses while threatening violence if an event isn't shut down. That's the difference.