after five years, i left islam. here's one huge contradiction in the qur`an

[anonymous9887]

Sorry your highness. No can do.

You figure I am asking one of Allah's representatives a question, and I can't get an answer?

 

[firedragon]

You figure I am asking one of Allah's representatives a question, and I can't get an answer?

I learned about crocodile tears in school, and your tactics of digression is impressive (Not).

 

[firedragon]

Yep. Seen it. One of them I already quoted. What is the major variant that makes you claim the Original Quran to be lost?

Is this equal to whole books being omitted in some bibles? Chapters verses.

 

[anonymous9887]

I learned about crocodile tears in school, and your tactics of digression is impressive (Not).

Ok so no explanation.

 

[firedragon]

Also written at a later date.SMH
Aren't you reasoning that these happened later!!!

Codex Bezae.

 

[anonymous9887]

Well if you don't look at the reasoning behind the decision you can exploit it all you want. But the bible has multiple early manuscripts.
Facts
1. You have not a single complete manuscripts
2. And there are many variants
3. And no historical backing.
3. Let alone you figure that a mighty empire would be able to preserve their manuscripts for at least 100 years. But no that is not the case, the bibles copies lasted longer than your originals.

 

[firedragon]

Ok so no explanation.

Paul. I dont want to give you a rude response.

You made a claim that the Quran is lost due to variations. I have asked you to provide the variations. You cut and pasted a few that in no way can back up your stupendous claim.

I have asked you to provide one major variant that makes a difference.

You post a video and expect me to answer to Jay smith on that video when the other debater is answering him. Why should I go through a video you post without even studying it. You want some random person on the internet do the hard work for you? To me that is an escape tactic. A bad one.
Now you go into something totally irrelevant and expect me to answer. Another verse, another topic. As if you pay me for it.

Sorry again. No can do.

 

[anonymous9887]

Codex Beznae.

Close but no cigar.
1. Dates from the 5th century.
2. The entire bible is available in earlier manuscripts.
3. Try again

 

[anonymous9887]

Paul. I dont want to give you a rude response.

You made a claim that the Quran is lost due to variations. I have asked you to provide the variations. You cut and pasted a few that in no way can back up your stupendous claim.

I have asked you to provide one major variant that makes a difference.

You post a video and expect me to answer to Jay smith on that video when the other debater is answering him. Why should I go through a video you post without even studying it. You want some random person on the internet do the hard work for you? To me that is an escape tactic. A bad one.
Now you go into something totally irrelevant and expect me to answer. Another verse, another topic. As if you pay me for it.

Sorry again. No can do.

Actually it is a service to god, I'm sorry you don't see it that way.

 

[anonymous9887]

Paul. I dont want to give you a rude response.

You made a claim that the Quran is lost due to variations. I have asked you to provide the variations. You cut and pasted a few that in no way can back up your stupendous claim.

I have asked you to provide one major variant that makes a difference.

You post a video and expect me to answer to Jay smith on that video when the other debater is answering him. Why should I go through a video you post without even studying it. You want some random person on the internet do the hard work for you? To me that is an escape tactic. A bad one.
Now you go into something totally irrelevant and expect me to answer. Another verse, another topic. As if you pay me for it.

Sorry again. No can do.

I have brought points, you just overlooked them.

 

[firedragon]

1. You have not a single complete manuscripts

Neither do you

2. And there are many variants

You have more.

3. And no historical backing.

Neither do you.

3. Let alone you figure that a mighty empire would be able to preserve their manuscripts for at least 100 years. But no that is not the case, the bibles copies lasted longer than your originals.

That is probably the most lame argument I have seen in some time.

Oldest Quran manuscript dated latest 645, twelve years after the prophet. Latest. Could be earlier.

Oldest Gospel to be written (Not based on dating but theological studies) is the Gospel of Mark. 30 years later.

What are you talking about. Lasted longer. If the Quranic manuscripts have perished or something then at least your point has some bearing.

 

[firedragon]

I have brought points, you just overlooked them.

Show me one variant in the scale of the Pericope de adultera at least. Then you have a point.

 

[anonymous9887]

Neither do you



You have more.


Neither do you.



That is probably the most lame argument I have seen in some time.

Oldest Quran manuscript dated latest 645, twelve years after the prophet. Latest. Could be earlier.

Oldest Gospel to be written (Not based on dating but theological studies) is the Gospel of Mark. 30 years later.

What are you talking about. Lasted longer. If the Quranic manuscripts have perished or something then at least your point has some bearing.

1. Oh ok so our manuscripts vaticanus, sinaiticus, and the papyrus manuscripts are not complete.

We have secular evidence that confirm the characters and activities in the bible.

 

[anonymous9887]

Show me one variant in the scale of the Pericope de adultera at least. Then you have a point.

No, because we have earlier manuscripts to correct the matter. Please stay with the older manuscripts.

And btw the copies are from around 300 and we still have them. How old would your original copy have been? Yeah kind of strange don't you think?

 

[anonymous9887]

Show me one variant in the scale of the Pericope de adultera at least. Then you have a point.

So do you have 2000 variants at least in your literary masterpiece from god or not?

 

[firedragon]

1. Oh ok so our manuscripts vaticanus, sinaiticus, and the papyrus manuscripts are not complete.

We have secular evidence that confirm the characters and activities in the bible.

What secular evidence do you speak of?

 

[anonymous9887]

What secular evidence do you speak of?

Answer my questions first, otherwise your just spinning my wheels.

 

[firedragon]

So do you have 2000 variants at least in your literary masterpiece from god or not?

Show me which two manuscripts have this many variants.Dont just say things.

 

[firedragon]

Answer my questions first, otherwise your just spinning my wheels.

Which question?

 

[anonymous9887]

Show me which two manuscripts have this many variants.Dont just say things.

The Topkapi has variants from the modern version. No 2 manuscripts are alike. Do you agree or not. Even if it is non viable, do they exist is the question?