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after five years, i left islam. here's one huge contradiction in the qur`an

firedragon

firedragon

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Paul Chavez said:
No, because we have earlier manuscripts to correct the matter. Please stay with the older manuscripts.

And btw the copies are from around 300 and we still have them. How old would your original copy have been? Yeah kind of strange don't you think?
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Well, to answer this stupid argument, for Quran manuscripts to have lasted longer than bible manuscripts, they have to have been at least written in the 1 century AD. Which means the prophet Muhammed was not born. So let me stop there.
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
firedragon said:
Well, to answer this stupid argument, for Quran manuscripts to have lasted longer than bible manuscripts, they have to have been at least written in the 1 century AD. Which means the prophet Muhammed was not born. So let me stop there.
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That's my point is that the Qur'ans originals have not even lasted 100 years. How could that be? Or a longer period of time. The original simply do not exist.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Paul Chavez said:
The Topkapi has variants from the modern version. No 2 manuscripts are alike. Do you agree or not. Even if it is non viable, do they exist is the question?
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You cant say no two manuscripts are alike.

I agree that there are variances. Of course. This is bread and butter.

But what is your evidence to say that the original Quranic message is lost? Let me give you a topkapi variant. Ishmail was spelled with out a Ya.

If you cant provide evidence to back your claim that Quranic message is lost, just take it back.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Paul Chavez said:
That's my point is that the Qur'ans originals have not even lasted 100 years. How could that be? Or a longer period of time. The original simply do not exist.
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How would you know if the Birmingham manuscript is not an original? And what do you mean original?

Mate. Reading four gospels which you dont have a clue of their authorship, you ask about documents that didnt last 100 years.
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
firedragon said:
I dont know what you mean by "What Quran says".

But there are Quranic manuscripts dated earlier than that.
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We have historian Joe Cephus and the early church fathers for example, what evidence to you provide for the Qur'an what findings inscriptions is there before 680?
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
firedragon said:
You cant say no two manuscripts are alike.

I agree that there are variances. Of course. This is bread and butter.

But what is your evidence to say that the original Quranic message is lost? Let me give you a topkapi variant. Ishmail was spelled with out a Ya.

If you cant provide evidence to back your claim that Quranic message is lost, just take it back.
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Ok why don't your manuscripts like the Topkapi match the oldest manuscript?
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Paul Chavez said:
We have historian Joe Cephus and the early church fathers for example, what evidence to you provide for the Qur'an what findings inscriptions is there before 680?
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Josephus. Have you read it? The Jesus account in that is like a commercial in the middle of a programme. It has been easily dismissed by scholars as interpolation. Speak to any scholar of good esteem. And read it before you quote.
 
jeager106

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Paul Chavez said:
We have historian Joe Cephus and the early church fathers for example, what evidence to you provide for the Qur'an what findings inscriptions is there before 680?
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Who is Mr. Cephus? Some kind of recognized historian or smup'in?:shrug::shrug:






Titus Flavius Josephus is the full name and he is often quoted.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Paul Chavez said:
Ok why don't your manuscripts like the Topkapi match the oldest manuscript?
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You mean why do they have variants?

Variants exist because of several reasons.

1. Differences in pronunciation of proper names.
2. Language differences of geographical locations.
3. Scribal errors.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
jeager106 said:
Who is Mr. Cephus? Some kind of recognized historian or smup'in?:shrug::shrug:






Titus Flavius Josephus is the full name and he is often quoted.
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His name was Joseph ben Matityahu. Yes. We know about him. But he was never Joe Cephus. And I have read the Antiquities of the Jews.

He speaks of a Jesus, son of Amalas. That is not Jesus son of Joseph.

Then there is an interpolation called the Wonder worker. This Jesus the wonder worker episode is a later Slavonic Addition.

I already told you. Ask any scholar of good esteem.
 
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