anonymous9887
bible reader
That is not evidence of what others did more than 1000 years ago. That just proves that these muslims have memorized what others have compiled.
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after five years, i left islam. here's one huge contradiction in the qur`an
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uncung
Member
Because many people able to memorize the Quran letter per letter. Even non arabic able to memorize it easily. Even if you burn all Quran in this world we still able to produce it by using our memorizing. The same as the earlier muslim generations, they matched their memories with the manuscripts. Once they found the manuscripts were different with their memorization then they simply get rid them of.
it is why the sanaa manuscript was not taken into account. The compilation project by earlier muslim generation merely to keep the quran in hard documentation supposed to be compatible with their memorazion.
Prophet said: refer your Quran recitation to the Quraish tribe men (Prophet and many of his sahabah/companions were from Quraish tribe).
The compilation project was established by the earlier companions from Quraish tribe.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Your saying this because you are not aware of this at all. I understand that of course.
anonymous9887
bible reader
Evidence please.
If they truly memorized the Qur'an 100% accurately they would at least provide one complete perfect document, and you would think as mighty as that empire was they would be able to preserve it.
anonymous9887
bible reader
Ok. But can you provide evidence other than modern day people, that people from the 6th century completely memorized the Qur'an. Is there any historical document or any persons writings that lived in that time that mentioned that, other than the Quran?
anonymous9887
bible reader
So you expect someone to just believe that the people back then memorized the Qur'an perfectly, just because people say?
Sabour
Well-Known Member
The muslims used to memorize the Quraan since the times of revelations.
Also, the verses used to be written when revealed.
Prophet Muhammad had many scribes however it was Zayd who rose quickly to prominence. As the words of Allah were revealed Prophet Muhammad would call for a scribe to write down the words as they flowed from his lips. Many sahabah reported that they often heard him call for Zayd saying “let him bring the board, the ink pot and the scapula bone”
uncung
Member
it is why the sanaa manuscript was not taken into account. The compilation project by earlier muslim generation merely to keep the quran in hard documentation supposed to be compatible with their memorazion.
Prophet said: refer your Quran recitation to the Quraish tribe men (Prophet and many of his sahabah/companions were from Quraish tribe).
The compilation project was established by the earlier companions from Quraish tribe.
anonymous9887
bible reader
If you want to believe that fine. I have a question for you since my other buddy doesn't want to answer it for me.
Can you please give an explanation to Sura 3:6?
anonymous9887
bible reader
What evidence can you provide other than the Quran. Can you use another person's writing who lived in the same time, or a historical document?
anonymous9887
bible reader
If you want to establish this matter please provide these:
1. Any historical document that can confirm it.
2. A person's writings that confirms what you are saying.
Otherwise I have to accept it because the Qur'an says so and that's it.
uncung
Member
sura 3:6
"It is He who forms you in the wombs however He wills. There is no deity except Him, the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
I don't think it needs an extend explanation.
anonymous9887
bible reader
No problem I will keep this in the back of my mind.
Something more important to me is the explanation of Sura 3:6.
anonymous9887
bible reader
What does it mean when it says " it is he who forms you in the wombs however He wills"?
uncung
Member
Don't you constantly state that Uthman compiled the Quran? Uthman was the Prophet companion, he was from Quraish tribe his recitation was in Quraish style, and let alone he was a Caliphate as well.
uncung
Member
I don't know.
O.M.G. Someone else that isn't afraid to say I don't know.
I don't know lots of things.
anonymous9887
bible reader
Yes that is what observation points to, but proving that people memorized the Qur'an without secular documentation is an impossibility, to me at least.
anonymous9887
bible reader
Ok when you figure that out you will know why I don't stick to Islam according to the theology I have received on that passage.
The god of the bible has filled in the gap for me.
uncung
Member
The Quraish tribe were well known as illiterate people (ummy people). They relied on their memorization.
The Quranic canon is the form of the Quran as recited and written in which it is religiously binding for the Muslim community. This canonical corpus is closed and fixed in the sense that nothing in the Quran can be changed or modified. The process of canonization ended under the third caliph, Uthman ibn Affan (r. 23/644–35/655), which was about twenty years after the death of Prophet Muhammad.[38]
By the time of Uthman's caliphate, there was a perceived need for clarification of Quran reading. The Caliphate had grown considerably, expanding into Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and Iran, bringing into Islam's fold many new converts from various cultures with varying degrees of isolation.[39] These converts spoke a variety of languages but were not well learned in Arabic, and so Uthman felt it was important to standardize the written text of the Quran into one specific Arabic dialect. Another reason for compiling the Quran was that many Muslims who had memorised the Quran in its entirety (huffaz) were dying, especially in battle.[citation needed]
(WIKIPEDIA)