after five years, i left islam. here's one huge contradiction in the qur`an

[firedragon]

It does, since understanding the linguistic context of the Qur'an relies heavily on understanding Arabic.

You know. This probably takes the crown in ********.

An arabic Quran, the linguistic context, relies heavily on understanding Arabic. Lol. And then he goes to say scholars should know Arabic. Good God..

Of course man. WT

 

[Debater Slayer]

Nope. The book at the time.

So do the scholars who state that the verse refers to Muhammad's uncle.

I know they are centuries old. We grow up studying them. And yesterday I made some food to a new recipe to please myself. Also I know these documents were not made yesterday.

Then why are you objecting to written descriptions as if they were discredited sources to refer to in the process of interpreting the Qur'an?

Still, thats because you have not read the source.

I would have to know what you're talking about in the first place to know if I've read anything about it.

Hmmm. Linguistic context. Lol. What is that?

The fact that Abu Lahab is an epithet of an actual person, not a metaphor.

No. Where in the world did that come from? (I would have said where the hell did that come from but Im afraid you might use that in coordination with something)

Prophet Yunus is the person who was swallowed by the whale according to the Qur'an. "Man of the fish" is used to refer to him in this verse, but the story is the same: that of a man who was swallowed by a whale and then saved by Allah.

You also still haven't said how Ibn Katheer and Al-Qurtubi are "my idols."

 

[Debater Slayer]

An arabic Quran, the linguistic context, relies heavily on understanding Arabic. Lol. And then he goes to say scholars should know Arabic. Good God.

Do you doubt that in any possible way? Because I'm not sure how many scholars would agree with you that they don't have to know Arabic. Go find some who agree with you and then tell me.

 

[firedragon]

So do the scholars who state that the verse refers to Muhammad's uncle.

Do you?

Then why are you objecting to written descriptions as if they were discredited sources to refer to in the process of interpreting the Qur'an?

Lol. You said somethings that are comical.

Nevertheless, do you not have a brain? Do you actually take centuries late documents to understand an early document? Forget the rest, do you???

I would have to know what you're talking about in the first place to know if I've read anything about it.

I mean the source. The books of Ahadith.

The fact that Abu Lahab is an epithet of an actual person, not a metaphor.

Translate it. Do you also say that Abu ghabi is a name???

Prophet Yunus is the person who was swallowed by the whale according to the Qur'an. "Man of the fish" is used to refer to him in this verse, but the story is the same: that of a man who was swallowed by a whale and then saved by Allah.

Yunus is referred by name.

Wainna Yoonusa Laminal Mursaleena.

You also still haven't said how Ibn Katheer and Al-Qurtubi are "my idols."

Because you follow them, not your brain.

 

[firedragon]

Do you doubt that in any possible way? Because I'm not sure how many scholars would agree with you that they don't have to know Arabic. Go find some who agree with you and then tell me.

I dont doubt it. Just stating the obvious is stupidly absurd.

Its like saying that to read the radiant way you need to know English. In fact its worse.

 

[Desert Snake]

Whats the reason Philosopher?

What isn't the reason?

 

[firedragon]

What isn't the reason?

 

[Ignorant Philosopher]

please try to prove that what i'm telling you is wrong.

Logical Fallacy

Proving a Negative.

Please try again.

 

[Kelvin Davidson]

there are so many verses in the qur`an that are extremely hard to understand. and if you say it wasn't talking about every verse, then that would make chapter 11 verse 1 contradict even itself. if the verses are perfect and explained in detail, why can no one explain chapter 74 verse 30 ("Over it are nineteen") with the context of the qur`an? the qur`an itself does not say anything else about this verse in regard to what there are 19 of.

 

[Augustus]

The fact that Abu Lahab is an epithet of an actual person, not a metaphor.

As a non-Muslim Arab, how much do you trust Islamic theology to be an accurate representation of historical fact? Do you think the Sirah is broadly accurate, or largely invented for theological reasons (or 'other')?

If you look at tafsir from the likes of Tabari, it is clear that mufassir have absolutely no idea how to interpret many passages of the Quran and are merely guessing. Even to things that should be important like who the Sabians were they have no idea. Other passages they are plain wrong such as associating al-fil with Abraha, or not understanding why Abraham's wife laughed.

On the other hand, minutiae of the Prophets life are recorded with stunning accuracy such as women lobbing sticks into people's paths.

To me, Abu Lahab seems far more likely to be a metaphor as part of a parable than an actual person, and the story seems likely to be made up like many other things clearly are.

He is called the "man of the fish" instead of being referred to with his real name. Does that mean we should just dismiss any exegetical commentary that points out that this is one of the names of the Islamic Prophet Yunus?

This is an intertextual reference though which makes it clear. The Quran is full of them, although the mufassir didn't always realise as their knowledge of pre-Islamic theology diminished over time.

 

[Ignorant Philosopher]

I must ask, do Muslims think that space travel is impossible?

 

[McBell]

So I suppose you think that a human's choice to believe in a particular religion will persuade an all powerful deity to not inflict upon them eternal suffering.

If said deity flat out states that unless you believe in it you will go to hell, then yes.

 

[Ignorant Philosopher]

If said deity flat out states that unless you believe in it you will go to hell, then yes.

But how would you know if a deity had?

 

[McBell]

But how would you know if a deity had?

I have no idea.
However, there are a lot of people who believe that their chosen deity says just that.

 

[Godobeyer]

So I suppose you think that a human's choice to believe in a particular religion will persuade an all powerful deity to not inflict upon them eternal suffering.

Of course it's personal choice to believe or not.
I think not all non-Muslims will access to hell , because there is whom never heard about Islam or mislead by media...etc

 

[Ignorant Philosopher]

Of course it's personal choice to believe or not.
I think not all non-Muslims will access to hell , because there is whom never heard about Islam or mislead by media...etc

Interesting.

Are you saying that you can make yourself believe something without evidence pointing to it or not believe something that does have evidence pointing to it?

 

[Godobeyer]

there are so many verses in the qur`an that are extremely hard to understand. and if you say it wasn't talking about every verse, then that would make chapter 11 verse 1 contradict even itself. if the verses are perfect and explained in detail, why can no one explain chapter 74 verse 30 ("Over it are nineteen") with the context of the qur`an? the qur`an itself does not say anything else about this verse in regard to what there are 19 of.

Sometimes you can't understand Quran, because some verses had it's historic reference (meaning) . so why don't you call for help to understand !!?

 

[Godobeyer]

Interesting.

Are you saying that you can make yourself believe something without evidence pointing to it or not believe something that does have evidence pointing to it?

Don"t get you point ?

exemple plz ?

 

[firedragon]

I must ask, do Muslims think that space travel is impossible?

No.

 

[firedragon]

If said deity flat out states that unless you believe in it you will go to hell, then yes.

What is IT?