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after five years, i left islam. here's one huge contradiction in the qur`an

McBell

McBell

Unbound
Ignorant Philosopher said:
Are you saying that you can make yourself believe something without evidence pointing to it or not believe something that does have evidence pointing to it?
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I am not speaking for Godobeyer or any one else in particular....
However, all you have to do is pop into any of the Evolution vs Creation threads to see both happening simultaneously.
 
Ignorant Philosopher

Ignorant Philosopher

Freethinker
firedragon said:
No.
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يَا مَعْشَرَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ إِنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ أن تَنفُذُوا مِنْ أقْطَارِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأرْضِ فَانفُذُوا لَآ تَنفُذُونَ إِلاّ بِسُلْطَانٍ

فَبِأيِّ آلَآء رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ
 
Godobeyer

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Ignorant Philosopher said:
If I saw that a crayon was red. Is it my choice to believe it?

If I did not see a crayon in the room after searching every inch of it, Is it my choice to believe there is one in the room?
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Believing in unseen is what concern.

Since I believe I am created (designed) so I believe there is Creator.

Yes it's your choice to estimate, some people saw a stealing cars, or killing innocents is good choice, so they choose to be in bad side.
 
Augustus

Augustus

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Ignorant Philosopher said:
Logical Fallacy

Argument from Personal Incredulity.

You assume everyone does based on your personal experience.
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No, based on science and the workings of the human brain.

You actually think we are rational creatures?

(I'm no saying we all do it at will whenever we please, but we all believe things with no evidence and disbelieve things with plenty of evidence)
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Ignorant Philosopher said:
يَا مَعْشَرَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ إِنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ أن تَنفُذُوا مِنْ أقْطَارِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأرْضِ فَانفُذُوا لَآ تَنفُذُونَ إِلاّ بِسُلْطَانٍ

فَبِأيِّ آلَآء رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ
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Can you eve read that?

Nevertheless, your cut and paste does not make sense. Show me where aalai rabbikuma becomes some kind of forcefield or a universal law against space travel.
 
Ignorant Philosopher

Ignorant Philosopher

Freethinker
Augustus said:
No, based on science and the workings of the human brain.

You actually think we are rational creatures?

(I'm no saying we all do it at will whenever we please, but we all believe things with no evidence and disbelieve things with plenty of evidence)
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Logical Fallacy

Strawman Argument.

I never said that all humans are rational.
 
FearGod

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Kelvin Davidson said:
one, yesterday i discovered that in the qur`an, chapter 11 verse 1 states that the verses are perfect and explained in detail, but all of chapter 111 is clearly about muhammad wanting revenge on his uncle and her wife. the entire message of the qur`an would be benefited without that chapter. how are those perfected verses?

two, even if you believe it's supposed to be hard to understand (which makes no sense because that can cause huge amounts of misinterpretation and chaos), that is still not explanation in detail, therefore it also makes the qur`an imperfect and completely contradicts chapter 11 verse 1.

three, it's as if people thought muhammad's complaints about family were teachings and added it into the qur`an. also, these are things that people believed muhammad said sorted out by people other than muhammad. if this chapter is in there, that further destroys its credibility.

i do still however follow God. just with no religion.

EDIT: this is a very important post in this thread:
http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...tion-in-the-qur-an.188049/page-3#post-4778002
it says this:
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Some verses were made for that era and it has its meaning for that specific time, some other verses were speaking
about future times such as the war between the Romans and the Persians and the outcome of it, other verses are speaking
about our time such as verses about the universe and the war between the believers and the disbelievers in the area
of Jerusalem which will be controlled by the Jews as promised by God.
 
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