Afterlife for Non-Members of your Faith?

[muhammad_isa]

Well wait a minute. God's "guidance," according to you, is that we should become Muslims and follow Islam, isn't it?

Not specifically..
There are many Abrahamic creeds .. some orthodox, and some more obscure.
This life is a spiritual journey. It is different for each one of us.
We all live in different environments and have various experiences.

I used marriage as an example, because it is well-known that it is more or less universal amongst the followers of the Bible and Qur'an.

I know what your religion teaches I should do, and I'm not doing it because I don't see a rational reason to do so. Am I going to hell?

I have no idea.
I have no idea what will happen to me after my death,
but I will try to tread a path of righteousness, according to scripture, and hope that I will be forgiven for my trespasses.

eg. That I will be amongst the righteous and be loved by them, as I love them

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

The afterlife is something they've been waiting to experience since the day they were born. It will be exactly what they've imagined it to be. If they had no belief of an afterlife their consciousness will be reincarnated, their soul created and then they will experience whatever they could possibly imagine. For those who imagine a negated afterlife, and there are a few, they will, just like everybody, be able to escape it. Ultimately the post-lives will consist of souls developed from soul technology and many human-created synverses so reality will be whatever one dreams of. If those dreams turn into nightmares, there will always be ways around it. Heavens and Gods will be created for this purpose.

 

[Fool]

If you believe in an afterlife, what will it be like for people who are not part of your religion? Or for people who don't share your religious/spiritual views? Or is what happens to us after death independent of our beliefs or affiliations?

There is no after life. There are just masking changes. Like masquerade balls. Actions becoming actors. Lila dancing. Maya manifesting

 

[Left Coast]

Not specifically..

What do you make of this from the Qur'an then?

"Whoever seeks a way other than Islam, it will never be accepted from them, and in the Hereafter they will be among the losers." 3:85

I used marriage as an example, because it is well-known that it is more or less universal amongst the followers of the Bible and Qur'an.

It's more or less universal amongst almost all cultures, Abrahamic or not. But it has also changed many times over the centuries, even within those traditions.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

In Protestant Christianity, non-believers go to hell.

Which makes the notion of a "merciful God" pretty funny, really.

 

[muhammad_isa]

What do you make of this from the Qur'an then?

"Whoever seeks a way other than Islam, it will never be accepted from them, and in the Hereafter they will be among the losers." 3:85

It doesn't say that in my translation.
It more or less means that people who prefer an alternative path to obeying God will not be successful.

Furthermore, taking verses out of context doesn't help in understanding.
Remember .. God is not a person .. so if we say that "God will not accept something", it is more complex than an earthly King not accepting something.

It boils down to the same thing in the end though.
If people turn away and ignore scripture, they will be on a different path to a believer, and not all paths lead to the same destination.

 

[Left Coast]

It doesn't say that in my translation.

Asad Quran Translation
For, if one goes in search of a religion other than self-surrender unto God, it will never be accepted from him, and in the life to come he shall be among the lost.

Malik Quran Translation
If anyone is looking for a religion other than Islam, then let it be known that it will not be accepted from him; and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers.

Yusuf Ali Quran Translation
If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good). 418

Mustafa Khattab Quran Translation
Whoever seeks a way other than Islam, it will never be accepted from them, and in the Hereafter they will be among the losers.

Piktal Quran Translation
And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.

What does yours say? And which translation is it?

It more or less means that people who prefer an alternative path to obeying God will not be successful.

Right. And to obey God is to follow Islam. That's literally what it means. So how can one get to heaven if they aren't following Islam?

Furthermore, taking verses out of context doesn't help in understanding.

You didn't provide any textual context that would make it mean something other than what it says, though.

Remember .. God is not a person .. so if we say that "God will not accept something", it is more complex than an earthly King not accepting something.

It boils down to the same thing in the end though.
If people turn away and ignore scripture, they will be on a different path to a believer, and not all paths lead to the same destination.

Well if it boils down to the same thing, your point is basically moot it seems. If we don't follow what the Quran says we should do (ie follow Islam), it won't go well for us in the afterlife.

I'm not sure how you square that with people who don't follow Islam still getting to heaven.

 

[robocop (actually)]

If you believe in an afterlife, what will it be like for people who are not part of your religion? Or for people who don't share your religious/spiritual views? Or is what happens to us after death independent of our beliefs or affiliations?

They have a chance to accept our religion in the afterlife when we do temple work for them.

 

[InChrist]

If you believe in an afterlife, what will it be like for people who are not part of your religion? Or for people who don't share your religious/spiritual views? Or is what happens to us after death independent of our beliefs or affiliations?

It is clear from reading this thread and previous posts over the years on this forum that people have a variety of ideas about life after death; whether from religious/spiritual teachings or their own imagination. That is why I really don’t think we can accurately know without revelation from God the Creator, which I believe the biblical scriptures to be.

According to the scriptures, God created humans to be in relationship and live with Him forever. Human sin has broken that relationship so that everyone is separated from God. Death or or more precisely, spiritual separation from God, is the eternal consequence of sin. Since God is the only Source of light, love, goodness, joy, peace, beauty and all that makes life enjoyable...an eternity apart from God will be terrible. The scriptures use such phrases as; lake of fire, outer darkness, weeping and gnashing of teeth to describe the condition of life completely separated from God.
Right now in this physical realm humans still enjoy God’s provision and blessings through the beauty of creation, variety of foods, interactions and relationships with others, or various other physical activities and distractions. All those will be gone in the eternal realm.
God has offered the free gift of forgiveness and payment for sin, reconciliation, and eternal life through Jesus Christ ( Romans 6:23; John 14:6). As a gift, this must be received or refused by each person. God will not force anyone to live in the new eternal heaven and earth with Him.

 

[JustGeorge]

They have a chance to accept our religion in the afterlife when we do temple work for them.

I'm having a hard time imagining what this looks like. Mind elaborating some? What does temple work look like? Who does this, and when? Is it done for every last person? What if a person still refuses to accept that faith?

 

[rational experiences]

There is no after as life.

Before life the recording mass exists by law. Water oxygen. Used to record the lived living human life.

Is only a memory after a human dies.

The human never lived after. Was living recorded only. All statuses pre states in mass before any life even existed.

If you said I own one highest self no longer involved with the human. It's as the eternal only the eternal not in creation. Not any human...not a recording.

The eternal owned humans life caused leaving. We separated as we changed we die in a future. Proving we only survive.

Machine Theists want to copy human life. You did. You use heavenly human voice images not the same status as guess what.... machines aren't humans.

 

[DNB]

If you believe in an afterlife, what will it be like for people who are not part of your religion? Or for people who don't share your religious/spiritual views? Or is what happens to us after death independent of our beliefs or affiliations?

As a Christian, we believe in a single-minded divine Being, who created all things seen and unseen, is holy and righteous, and therefore had an unequivocal intent and purpose for all that he created. We also believe that man, and no other creature but man, was created in His image - spiritual and moral creature.
Thus, we do not expect that all roads lead to Rome, nor that any human can behave in any manner that they like and still receive God's approbation - this is ethics 101.

Hence, we conclude that only those that abide by God's will shall receive blessings from the Lord in the life to come. And, for those who don't, it shall be, justifiably, eternal perdition - those who show contempt and disdain for their Creator.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I'm having a hard time imagining what this looks like. Mind elaborating some? What does temple work look like? Who does this, and when? Is it done for every last person? What if a person still refuses to accept that faith?

I'm sorry I'm not the one to get into it but they can still refuse.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If you believe in an afterlife, what will it be like for people who are not part of your religion? Or for people who don't share your religious/spiritual views? Or is what happens to us after death independent of our beliefs or affiliations?

There's no one size fits all answer, as God judges each person individually and according to their conscience. For those who never heard it, there's traditions that state that angels preach the Gospel to the souls in Purgatory or that at least all souls are granted a chance to hear it somehow. But if you die with hatred and obstinate rebellion in your heart towards God, with no sense of remorse, guilt or shame, lacking humbleness, etc. - it's probably not going to turn out well for you.

 

[F1fan]

The afterlife is something they've been waiting to experience since the day they were born. It will be exactly what they've imagined it to be.

So you are claiming that a person's mind will continue to have experiences after brain death ONLY because they believe they will despite the brain being incapable of any experiences? What facts do you have to support a coherent explanation?

If they had no belief of an afterlife their consciousness will be reincarnated, their soul created and then they will experience whatever they could possibly imagine.

Another fantastic claim. Can you provide facts and a coherent explantion for this claim as well?

For those who imagine a negated afterlife, and there are a few, they will, just like everybody, be able to escape it. Ultimately the post-lives will consist of souls developed from soul technology and many human-created synverses so reality will be whatever one dreams of. If those dreams turn into nightmares, there will always be ways around it. Heavens and Gods will be created for this purpose.

Any facts for this third fantastic claim?

 

[F1fan]

It doesn't say that in my translation.
It more or less means that people who prefer an alternative path to obeying God will not be successful.

Right. But of course Islam is telling people what is successful, so it is all quite circular. It is similar to Christians who threaten non-Christians with damnation unless they believe in jesus and attain salvation and an afterlife in heaven. But this is Christianity saying these concepts are true, and setting the rules, and without any test in reality.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Well if it boils down to the same thing, your point is basically moot it seems. If we don't follow what the Quran says we should do (ie follow Islam), it won't go well for us in the afterlife.

I'm not sure how you square that with people who don't follow Islam still getting to heaven.

Not everybody is even aware of Islam. [ apart from portrayals in the media ]
Not everybody has even read the Qur'an.

Taking one Scriptural verse from the Bible or Qur'an in order to "prove" a point is a very weak argument.
Sound religious knowledge takes years to develop, and does not depend on a handful of cherry-picked verses.

I could do the same as you, and select a verse from here or there that appears to say what I want it to say.
You only have to look at different Christian denominations, arguing over verses in the Bible on RF to see how futile this .. some threads just go on and on.
[eg. Is Jesus God? etc. ]

There are numerous references to "the People of the book" in the Qur'an, and inter-marriage is acceptable in some circumstances .. much like Protestants and Catholics.
It is more about piety than creed..
I like attending different churches .. we are not all bigoted know-it-alls.
As far as I'm concerned, God is God !
..and we all have something to learn, regardless of creed.

..and finally, one more point.
Jews do not accentuate what happens to us after death.
They realise that they will be blessed in this life if they keep "the law".

..so I visualise the after-life as being similar to a continuation of this life,
the difference being that this worldly test will be over, and all our deeds will be laid bare.

 

[syo]

It would be a big deal if we died and had to come back to this dust heap of a mortal world....
a big bad deal!

Why bad?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

If you believe in an afterlife, what will it be like for people who are not part of your religion? Or for people who don't share your religious/spiritual views? Or is what happens to us after death independent of our beliefs or affiliations?

I'm a Wiccan, and believing in the paranormal is in line with my beliefs. According to what I know, some Wiccans believe in the afterlife and believe that spirits can interact with the living, while others do not. Personally speaking, I believe in the afterlife for reasons that I've previously discussed in other threads. I don't believe that a human spirit's experience in the afterlife is influenced by the religious beliefs they held while alive. As I've stated in previous threads (read here), I no longer believe in the biblical concepts of heaven and hell as I once did as a Christian. In fact, I now reject my previous beliefs, particularly my belief in the Bible's inerrancy and its claims about the afterlife. I no longer believe that the spirit world is a static location (heaven or hell). Now, I believe that the afterlife is an everlasting existence where spirits can come and go as they please, and a human spirit's experience in the afterlife can be positive or negative depending upon how they react to their death, as well as what their personal character was like when they were still alive.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

There is no after as life........Is only a memory after a human dies..........

I can agree that right now there is 'No after as life' because in the Bible there is No life after death but just 'sleep'.
(Both Jesus and the OT both teach ' sleep ' in death - Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14)
So, for right now it 'is only a memory after a human dies' but according to the Bible ' there will be ' a resurrection.
A coming future resurrection on Resurrection Day meaning: Jesus' coming Thousand-Year Day governing over Earth.
- Acts of the Apostles 24:15