Age of the earth

[Vadergirl123]

And they would still be lying through their teeth.

You have no way to prove that

 

[Vadergirl123]

Where do they get the earth being thousands of years old?

I've replied to this question three times already in the thread. God created the erath in 6days-Adam was the first man and according to the chronolgy in the bible about 3,000yrs from Adam to Moses...

 

[Vadergirl123]

So you're saying I'm making an assumption in order to claim that I don't know, yes? What, pray tell, would that assumption be?

You assume it's not possible to no if God/gods exist or not, so based on that assumption(and the fact that you have no reason to believe) you chose not too

Can you give me an example of something that "fits together so perfectly that it's hard to believe it just randomly happened"?

How are planet is just the right distance from the sun, and it rotates just right so we don't freeze or burn up

That wasn't what I asked you. I asked you how you knew chance and design were the only two options. Here, you've shifted to finite versus eternal.

From the bible.What other options are there?

For starters, the Bible claims:

• The Earth was created before the Sun (as were plants). (Genesis 1)
• The Moon is a "great light". (Genesis 1:14-19)
• Rabbits chew cud. (Deuteronomy 14:7)
• Bats are birds. (Leviticus 11:13-19 & Deuteronomy 14:11-18)
• There is such a thing as a four-legged insect and a four-legged fowl. (Leviticus 11:20-23)
• Showing a striped stick to animals while they mate will cause them to bear striped offspring. (Genesis 30:37-39)

That's just a few but it'll do for now.

I'm sure I'll get to those in my other thread

This goes back to the inconsistencies. the Bible's message isn't consistent about what qualifies as sin, how salvation is achieved, the characteristics of god, etc.

What?? Sin is anything we think,say,or do that displeases God, and everyon'es a sinner(romans 3:23) We accept salvation by admiting we're sinners and accepting Jesus as the only one who can take it away. And characteristics of God???

I also want to pose a question to you that I posted earlier but you didn't answer:

Which is more important, in your mind:

1) Finding out what's actually true.
2) Preserving what you already believe is true.

Again, this isn't to imply you're doing one or the other and it's not to imply the two are 100% mutually incompatible. I'm simply curious which, to you, is the more important.

A mixture of both..how about you?

 

[Vadergirl123]

The Bible is a litany of atrocities such as genocide, slavery, torture etc. The society that produced it, and the people who lived in it, were indeed savage.

Not anymore than other society, there were some great people in the bible(Jesus, Abraham, Noah, etc) and yeah there were some bad people too(Jezebel, Satan, Aman, etc) That doesn't make a book bad.

 

[Vadergirl123]

So a creationist only agrees with the results of the scientific method when it's convenient? "Science is the devil's deception...except when it produces stuff I find useful."

I don't believe science is the devil's deception, quite the contrary in fact I don't believe it contradicts the bible (Read Job 38 sometime). It's just you have to be careful to place your trust in science since it's fallible.

 

[Vadergirl123]

Because it's neither scientifically or historically accurate.

I can see where you're coming form with the scientifically accurate, but historically inaccurate..Please give me an example?

 

[Vadergirl123]

They owned and beat slaves, they subjugated women, they raped the women of defeated enemies, they sold their own daughters into marriages against their will (which amounts to forced prostitution, rape and sexual slavery), they brutally murdered people for simply for eating shrimp, loving the wrong person, wearing mixed fabrics, rotating crops or talking to menstruating women. They were indeed ignorant savages. I don't understand why anyone would use that garbage as a moral compass in the modern world.

Where do you read about God condoning this stuff? I mean I know some of that's in there(I've never heard of teh shrimp thing though), but if God's using it as an example of what not to do then I don't see where it becomes a bad thing?

 

[Vadergirl123]

That is awesome! You know, there is a lot of money to be made here. I shall pop off now and write a book which says it is the true word of god, and that all other holy books are false. Hopefully I will convert people like you to my religion and make millions! After all, people like you are the backbone of religion. Thanks!

You're welcome although I don't think you'll get very far with that plan , and you missed my point completely. There's NO book that can prove the bible's false.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Where do you read about God condoning this stuff? I mean I know some of that's in there(I've never heard of teh shrimp thing though), but if God's using it as an example of what not to do then I don't see where it becomes a bad thing?

Good grief.

Read the Bible.

 

[Vadergirl123]

So basically, you are saying that you will believe a book because it says it is true. Well, then you place your faith above logic and reason, and that is good. Seems to me there is no point presenting facts and evidence to you.

I don't see any reason to not believe a God exists, and I have no reason to believe the bible isn't true.

 

[Vadergirl123]

Originally Posted by shawn001
Ecclesiastes 1:4 and 5
One generation goeth, and another generation cometh; but the earth abideth for ever.The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to its place where it ariseth.

Psalms 92
He has made the world firm, not to be moved.

Psalms 103
You fixed the earth upon its foundation, not to be moved forever.


The earth wont last forever because our sun wll go red giant.

The earth is not fixed " upon its foundation, not to be moved forever." and it does move.

Sorry it took me so long to reply(I accidently skipped over yours ), Here's a link Bible says the sun goes around the earth (Talk.Origins) - CreationWiki, the encyclopedia of creation science as to our planet being destroyed by the sun, that's an assumption your making that you CAN'T prove.

 

[Vadergirl123]

Well, if you say the Bible NEVER contradicts itself, then just one contradiction is enough to prove that that claim is false. And when you are presented with the list of contradictions, you fall back to the logical fallacy of stating that you will show us a list of examples that DON'T show that the bible contradicts itself. This is meaningless.

Why's it meaningless?? Why shouldn't I look at all the contradictions for myself? What have I got to lose.

 

[Vadergirl123]

If you believe the Bible is the absolute authority on EVERYTHING, I have to question your morals and ethics. Does this mean you condone slavery, misogyny, murder etc?

No:no: and the bible doesn't either

 

[The_Evelyonian]

You assume it's not possible to no if God/gods exist or not

No, I don't.

How are planet is just the right distance from the sun, and it rotates just right so we don't freeze or burn up

How is the pothole in the road just the right shape for the puddle that fills it?

From the bible

Where in the bible does it say chance and design are the only options?

What other options are there?

That the cause is unknown. To say that "it's either 'God' or 'random chance'" is to ignore the possibility that neither of those options is the correct one.

"We don't know what caused the Universe to exist, therefore we know it was either God or chance."

See the problem?

I'm sure I'll get to those in my other thread

I look forward to it.

What?? Sin is anything we think,say,or do that displeases God and everyon'es a sinner(romans 3:23) We accept salvation by admiting we're sinners and accepting Jesus as the only one who can take it away. And characteristics of God???

All of these are addressed in the list of contradictions I gave you.

A mixture of both..how about you?

Number 1 is the most important to me by far. I would rather know what is really true than attempt to doggedly preserve a belief that may or may not be true. Only true information has any value, IMO.

 

[Vadergirl123]

Well, she's on a mission right now to overcome 463 of those contradictions, and that they don't really contradict each other. She's doing this right now. This is an historical moment since she'll be the first person in the whole wide world to prove the inerrancy of the Bible to humanity.

hahaha I doubt I'll be the first there's books and blogs that already adress the contradictions

 

[The_Evelyonian]

No:no: and the bible doesn't either

Slavery = Exodus 21 - Leviticus 25:44-46 - Ephesians 6:5-8 - 1 Timothy 6:1-2

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Misogyny = The Status Of Women In The Old Testament

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Genocide = Numbers 31:15-18

“Have you allowed all the women to live?” he [Moses] asked them. “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

and that's just one example amongst many.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

hahaha I doubt I'll be the first there's books and blogs that already adress the contradictions

Oh, sorry. I'll go and read them now and finally see the light. Maybe then if I'm a really good girl and stop questioning a holy book, God will give me some cookies with my bedtime milk.

 

[FlyingTeaPot]

I don't see any reason to not believe a God exists, and I have no reason to believe the bible isn't true.

You believe the bible is true because it claims it is the true word of god. Yes or No?

 

[FlyingTeaPot]

Why's it meaningless?? Why shouldn't I look at all the contradictions for myself? What have I got to lose.

You misunderstood me. The fact that you can show me examples where the bible does not contradict itself does not negate the fact that even one contradiction is contrary to your earlier claim.

 

[FlyingTeaPot]

No:no: and the bible doesn't either

It doesn't? I certainly find that odd! Have you ever actually read the bible cover to cover?