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Age of the earth

FlyingTeaPot

Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
You're welcome although I don't think you'll get very far with that plan :D, and you missed my point completely. There's NO book that can prove the bible's false.

And YOU missed MY point :D
And so it goes round and round.
You are right. There is no book that can prove the Bible is false. But there are many other books that claim more or less what the Bible claims.
My point was that as long as there is a book that claims it is the true word of god, people like you will believe it above facts.
 

FlyingTeaPot

Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
Well, she's on a mission right now to overcome 463 of those contradictions, and that they don't really contradict each other. She's doing this right now. This is an historical moment since she'll be the first person in the whole wide world to prove the inerrancy of the Bible to humanity.

I will certainly look forward to that. Although her efforts might be fruitless in the end.
 

FlyingTeaPot

Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
If you believe the Bible is the absolute authority on EVERYTHING, I have to question your morals and ethics. Does this mean you condone slavery, misogyny, murder etc?

No:no: and the bible doesn't either

It doesn't? I certainly find that odd! Have you ever actually read the bible cover to cover?

You don't have to read very far into the bible to find an example of misogyny. It's right there in Genesis.

Do you think it is fair to punish ALL women because of the actions of one ignorant woman?

To the woman [Eve] he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." -Genesis 3:16

That passage right there tells me the god of the old testament is cruel.
 
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Turing

New Member
Living past 120 years, putting pesticides on our crops to minimize thorns / thistles, taking epidurals during child birth and women's rights are undoing God's original punishments. I guess that makes them a sin from the perspective of the OP.
 

Vadergirl123

Active Member
No, I don't.
You can't be absolutely sure you don't,a dn I don't see what the big deal is in admitting you do...



How is the pothole in the road just the right shape for the puddle that fills it?
I don't know what potholes you look at, but some of the pot holes I've seen have had water overflowing in them, or not been filled completely.


Where in the bible does it say chance and design are the only options?
I'm saying something is either created or it's always been around.
"We don't know what caused the Universe to exist, therefore we know it was either God or chance."
See the problem?
I know based on the bible, you shoudl say "YOU don't know what caused it to exist"

I would rather know what is really true than attempt to doggedly preserve a belief that may or may not be true. Only true information has any value, IMO.
But how can you know for sure if something's true or not(since you don't put much stock in absolutes)?
 

The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
You can't be absolutely sure you don't

LOL! I can't be absolutely sure of what I think? Oh, that's good! :D

a dn I don't see what the big deal is in admitting you do...

Because it isn't true. Truth matters to me.

I don't know what potholes you look at, but some of the pot holes I've seen have had water overflowing in them, or not been filled completely.

Congratulations on missing the point of the analogy.

Does the water in the pothole conform to the shape of the hole? Or is the pothole predesigned to conform to the shape of the puddle it will eventually contain?

I'm saying something is either created or it's always been around.

That's nice, but we're talking about chance vs design, not finite vs. eternal.

Where in the Bible does it say chance and design are the only two options?

I know based on the bible

No, you assert based on the Bible.

You've already admitted you can't demonstrate it - you've already admitted you can't prove it - and when pressed on it you've resorted to "I believe", "I assume" and "faith"; all three of which you've admitted do not have any affect on reality.

It what sense then can you claim to "know" it? Belief =/= Knowledge.

you shoudl say "YOU don't know what caused it to exist"

I do say "I don't know". That, IMO, is the only honest answer to the question.

But how can you know for sure if something's true or not

P. E. A. R. L. - Physical Evidence and Reasoned Logic.

(since you don't put much stock in absolutes)?

In my opinion, the moment anyone says, "This is the absolute Truth!" they have left the realm of inquiry and entered the realm of dogma.

Also, it seems as though you've gone back to equating "You don't know absolutely" with "You don't know at all". Remember how I explained before that it's entirely possible to be reasonably certain of something without having to claim an "absolute" certainty?
 
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Vadergirl123

Active Member
LOL! I can't be absolutely sure of what I think? Oh, that's good! :D
Well if one doesn't believe in absolutes then no, they can't be absolutely sure of what they believe
Does the water in the pothole conform to the shape of the hole? Or is the pothole predesigned to conform to the shape of the puddle it will eventually contain?
Neither, if the pothole was designed to fit the puddle. None of the water would overflow/ sometimes not fill the pothole perfectly. I don't see where you're going with this :confused:


That's nice, but we're talking about chance vs design, not finite vs. eternal.
Design is talked about in Genesis. When you say 'chance?' Are you talking about things just randomly comming into existence without being desinged?

what sense then can you claim to "know" it? Belief =/= Knowledge.
Yes, I can't prove/dissprove God exists, but I have no reason to believe he doesn't and I already gave you some reasons for why I think he does.(they were how some things fit so perfectly together)

P. E. A. R. L. - Physical Evidence and Reasoned Logic.
Some of the physical evidence is based on assumptions that can't be proven, and even logical reasoning has to sometimes make assumptions. Again if we never made assumptions we could never be sure what's true or not. However sometimes those assumptions are show to be wrong.


Remember how I explained before that it's entirely possible to be reasonably certain of something without having to claim an "absolute" certainty?
Yeah I remember you explaining it. But when you say you're reasonably certain. That implies that you can't be absolutel sure, which implies that there's a chance what you believe can be wrong. That's why I believe there's absolutes. Their are things in the universe we can know for sure(x=x, b doesn't =a). Without absolutes you can't be sure of anything because there's a chance everything you believe might not be true.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Yeah I remember you explaining it. But when you say you're reasonably certain. That implies that you can't be absolutel sure, which implies that there's a chance what you believe can be wrong. That's why I believe there's absolutes. Their are things in the universe we can know for sure(x=x, b doesn't =a). Without absolutes you can't be sure of anything because there's a chance everything you believe might not be true.


we dont understand 100% about gravity.

but the apple still falls. this is a fact.




there is no debate about the age of the earth, theology and mythology has never trumped knowledge
 

Vadergirl123

Active Member
Do you think it is fair to punish ALL women because of the actions of one ignorant woman?
Eve wasn't ignorant. She knew eating from the tree was wrong. God's instructions weren't complicated. She just got greedy. No I don't think it's fair for all women to be punished becuase of her. I also don't think it's fair that Jesus chose to die for everyone. What I think is fair doesn't matter, since it's Gods choice. And it's good thing it's not up to me. Because I wouldn't let my son die a tortorous death for a bunch of people especially if some of them didn't even believe I existed or hated me, or chose to worship something else besides me, and if I knew that even after I died some of them would still refuse to believe in me.
 
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Vadergirl123

Active Member
God isn't condoning slavery. He just gives commands for how to properly treat slaves, and how slaves should act towards their masters. Does the Bible condone slavery?


And God doesn't hate women, although he does want wives to submit to their husbands and he wants men in charge of his church. Also, in relation to your link, God doesn't approve men having more than one wife. Solomon for example had a bunch and they turned him away from God.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
How old do you think the world is and why?

The earth was created long before Adam,so in the islamic belief there is no problem to accept
that the earth was about 4 billion of years ago and Adam about 12000 years ago.

in other words there is no contradictions between religion and science.
 

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
The earth was created long before Adam,so in the islamic belief there is no problem to accept
that the earth was about 4 billion of years ago and Adam about 12000 years ago.

in other words there is no contradictions between religion and science.
Adam is about 50,000 years older than you think, though.
 
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