Agnosticism vs. Atheism

[painted wolf]

first off wiccan is NOT a male witch... its a religion...
I believe the term you are looking for is Warlock... wich is an iffy term at best. :roll:

The Roman Catholic church has changed... Vatican 1 and Vatican 2 were about important changes in the church... every time a new saint is added the religion changes eaven if just a little...

no religoin is static...

I know of no 'evil' religions, just misunderstood ones... 8)

the subtleties make the doctrine...

wa:-do

 

[Runt]

i mispelled wiccan, which is a male witch

LMAO! A Wiccan is a practicioner of Wicca (a religious form of witchcraft) and can be male or female. Not all witches are Wiccans, and not all Wiccans are male!

I believe the term you are looking for is Warlock... wich is an iffy term at best.

Aye, iffy indeed. Most Wiccans reject the term Warlock, which I believe translates as "oath-breaker". All Wiccans are "witches" (if they chose to use that term, which some don't) whether male or female.

evil religions or acts also have denominations i see.

You call a religion whose main Law is "Harm none" and whose practicioners actually FOLLOW that law "evil", when you belong to a religion that has killed millions in history despite the law "Thou shalt not kill"? Perhaps you should get a dictionary and look up the term "evil", because it does not apply to Wicca.

 

[Lightkeeper]

lightkeeper: there are atheists who live the gospel better than some christians. God is Love and Love is God. he wouldn't condemn himself or anyone else who lives the gospel truth.

This reply isn't related to anything I said in my post. You might want to reread it.

 

[jonjohnrob11]

pw: sorry about that, but i met a warlock who indicated he was a wiccan. frankly i wasn't impressed. he slipped me a micky finn as a joke.
we change not God, his truth is unchangeable.
satan tries to be subtle like God, but ends up mistaken.

 

[jonjohnrob11]

runt: according to God's law, the only killing allowed is a just war. not all wars are justified. read in the catholic catechism if u want to know the requisites for a just war. i agree that abortion, capital punishment and murder are wrong. God himself wiped out a few people.

 

[painted wolf]

jonjohn...

Again, we come to the whole 'is there a' argument. :roll:

I don't believe in Satan...

to tie this into the Agnostic vs. Atheist argument... would no beliveing in the big mr. spooky make me atheist or agnostic? :lol:

wa:-do

 

[Master Vigil]

neither, it would make you a native american.

 

[Runt]

Or simply someone who is not Christian (or Jewish or Muslim? Do Muslims believe in Satan?)...

 

[Engyo]

Or Buddhist.

There is in Buddhism a representation called Mara; this is sometimes taken by theistically oriented persons to be similar to the devil. However Mara is a personification or representation of the fundamental darkness within all human life; otherwise known as the Three Poisons of greed, anger and ignorance.

Personally I like to add a fourth poison, which is that of fear. Fear motivates people to do some of the most terrible things we know of, with what they feel are the highest of motives.

 

[Master Vigil]

Taoists don't believe in the big mr. spooky either. They only understand that evil exists because good exists. And they understand that it has to exist. But to live in balance, one has to find a happy medium between extremes. Like the buddhist middle road.

 

[anders]

JonJohnrob,‎

Please try to avoid the multiple posts. They use up a lot of space and spoil the overview.‎

Let us assume that the Bible states God’s law. Killings of so many kinds are not only allowed, ‎but prescribed. Not only “just” wars are allowed, but also several instances of capital punishment ‎for, for example, naughty children. And trying to bring on an abortion is a MUST if a jealous ‎husband thinks that his wife is pregnant by another man. Read the horror story in Numbers 5:11-27!‎

The best interpretation of the Hebrew word in the commandment “Thou shalt not kill” is ‎something like “You must not commit cold-blooded murder unless necessary”, where the ‎‎“necessary” bit obviously has a very wide meaning.‎

Runt,‎

Muslims do believe in the Devil (Iblis or al-Shaytân al-Mâkir, the cunning Satan). There are ‎numerous references to this being in the Qur’an.‎

 

[jonjohnrob11]

pw: believing in Big Daddy, Junior and the Spook would indicate ure christian. just believing in the Great Spirit leads toward judaism and islam. there are good buddhists, hindus, atheists, agnostics etc.
as long as u have love in your heart u r doing fine, as God is Love and therefore inside u like many others. God doesn't condemn good people just the evil ones. most people i believe are in the Book of Life, which is secret and contains the names of all souls who will dwell with the Lord in heaven.
u r on the right track painted wolf. keep searching for truth till someday u know where to find absolute truth, which is one of my topics in this forum. also i have a topic on truth and conscience u mite like to refer to.

 

[jonjohnrob11]

pw: believing in Big Daddy, Junior and the Spook would indicate ure christian. just believing in the Great Spirit leads toward judaism and islam. there are good buddhists, hindus, atheists, agnostics etc.
as long as u have love in your heart u r doing fine, as God is Love and therefore inside u like many others. God doesn't condemn good people just the evil ones. most people i believe are in the Book of Life, which is secret and contains the names of all souls who will dwell with the Lord in heaven.
u r on the right track painted wolf. keep searching for truth till someday u know where to find absolute truth, which is one of my topics in this forum. also i have a topic on truth and conscience u mite like to refer to.

 

[jonjohnrob11]

Christians, muslims and jews all believe in the same God. christians believe in the Holy Trinity or one God, three Persons. Jews believe in God the Father and the Holy Spirit as do the Muslims. to them Jesus was just a prophet. muslims believe. Mohammed was a prophet according to Islam.

 

[jonjohnrob11]

master vigil sounds like the psychological tenet: "i'm ok ure ok", which leans towards the utilitarian theory of the minority should suffer for benefit of the majority if necessary. doing evil causes harm to ureself and theologically to everybody because evil is an unfair act and degrading. "the world isn't fair" but u don't have to add to it. u can help by doing good and increasing the joy of living. we all can. it's a decision we all have to make. apathycomplacency and don't care attitudes about God make us unhappy and unloving. we all been there and done it.

 

[jonjohnrob11]

anders: God the Father was vindictive until his son payed the price for our salvation. now it proper to not retaliate, but to forgive and do good to ure enemies. personally i have made very good friends with my enemies. if i had the old jewish and protestant belief of an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth, i too would be at war without inner peace.

if u want to know how a war qualifies as just nowadays read the roman catholic catechism on just wars.

true abortion is centuries old and has been legalized before by certain nations, sorry i can't list any. God's laws don't ever change but are fulfilled. Jesus didn't come to abolish the laws but to fulfill them. God's law take precedence over man's law. God is perfect, man isn't. they are the ten commandments not the ten suggestions.

the devil believes in God but he is pure evil. believe needs to be qualified as existence here and in that case everyone believes in the devil because he exists. everyone believes in the existence of God either consciously or subconsciously.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

To be fair, the Church is more "eye for an eye" than some Protestants are. The Amish refuse to participate in retaliatory violence of any kind, while the Catholic Church has the Just War theory.

 

[Master Vigil]

"master vigil sounds like the psychological tenet: "i'm ok ure ok", which leans towards the utilitarian theory of the minority should suffer for benefit of the majority if necessary."

That would be so if minorities were in fact minorities. Nothing is a minority in Taoism. Everything strives for balance. Nothing more. And its true the world isn't fair, but that is what divides balance from imbalance.

 

[Master Vigil]

neither, it would make you a native american.

 

[Runt]

Or simply someone who is not Christian (or Jewish or Muslim? Do Muslims believe in Satan?)...