Alabama passes bill making some transgender healthcare a felony

[ADigitalArtist]

What point is that? Beating around the bush?

The point is you don't need to know the status of people's private parts or chromosomes to call them men or women because that's not how we, as a society, treat men and women. And trying to investigate any potential trans person on their genitals just so you can misgender them would be rude. Which mostly you wouldn't do anyway, as you most likely meet and greet many transgender people as the gender expression they present to you.

Although it is pretty funny when I get misgendered in the bathroom by pearl clutching conservatives who think I'm in the wrong place just because I don't look like what they think women should look like, but that's a topic for later.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The point is you don't need to know the status of people's private parts or chromosomes to call them men or women because that's not how we, as a society, treat men and women. And trying to investigate any potential trans person on their genitals just so you can misgender them would be rude. Which mostly you wouldn't do anyway, as you most likely meet and greet many transgender people as the gender expression they present to you.

Although it is pretty funny when I get misgendered in the bathroom by pearl clutching conservatives who think I'm in the wrong place just because I don't look like what they think women should look like, but that's a topic for later.

A stereotypical comment on your part and guilty of doing what you’re accusing someone else of doing. Not at all what I communicated in this thread. Unfortunate our society is that messed where you try to change the definition of male and female. That is determined by your physical body not your emotional or psychological state.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

A stereotypical comment on your part and guilty of doing what you’re accusing someone else of doing. Not at all what I communicated in this thread. Unfortunate our society is that messed where you try to change the definition of male and female. That is determined by your physical body not your emotional or psychological state.

Doing what exactly? If anything I said you probably don't do that, but treat trans people the way their gender is being expressed to you.

But there are lots and lots of mostly conservative women who try and check me at the door of restrooms because of very narrow expectations of gender presentation. And they wouldn't do so if they stopped treating people based on how they looked.

Whether you like it or not, men and women hasn't been purely defined by sex characteristics for a very long time, if ever. Since transgender, non-binary and intersex people have been a routine part of human society since human society began.
You won't find a medical association worth their salt who says gender doesn't exist or is merely a reflection of physical sex.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Doing what exactly? If anything I said you probably don't do that, but treat trans people the way their gender is being expressed to you.

But there are lots and lots of mostly conservative women who try and check me at the door of restrooms because of very narrow expectations of gender presentation. And they wouldn't do so if they stopped treating people based on how they looked.

Whether you like it or not, men and women hasn't been purely defined by sex characteristics for a very long time, if ever. Since transgender, non-binary and intersex people have been a routine part of human society since human society began.
You won't find a medical association worth their salt who says gender doesn't exist or is merely a reflection of physical sex.

I’ve been around the party life, drugs, alcohol, recovery groups, gay bars, gay communities, dressed up a as female, sports, promiscuous lifestyle, had a great family yet became homeless, been around all kinds of people, got married raised 14 children, never have I seen or experienced so many confused people. You have men claiming to identify as women and raping girls so it’s those kind of people to watch out for. I’m going to protect my children from perverted people, unfortunately it’s not so easy to discern the dangerous people these days.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I’ve been around the party life, drugs, alcohol, recovery groups, gay bars, gay communities, dressed up a as female, sports, promiscuous lifestyle, had a great family yet became homeless, been around all kinds of people, got married raised 14 children, never have I seen or experienced so many confused people. You have men claiming to identify as women and raping girls so it’s those kind of people to watch out for. I’m going to protect my children from perverted people, unfortunately it’s not so easy to discern the dangerous people these days.

Maybe don't judge people based on paranoia? Transgender people aren't perverts, any more than heterosexual cisgendered men, who make up most of the rape cases. Like girls are most at risk in the home with someone they know, not a transwoman just trying to pee.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Maybe don't judge people based on paranoia? Transgender people aren't perverts, any more than heterosexual cisgendered men, who make up most of the rape cases. Like girls are most at risk in the home with someone they know, not a transwoman just trying to pee.

A person is judged by their character, people can be perverted and evil no matter what their sexual orientation. Right now I’m going to keep it simple cause I really am not going to try to keep up will all the different terms. Male or Female. Could you imagine dealing with animals the same way, is that dog male or female? Not sure 50/50

 

[fantome profane]

You have men claiming to identify as women and raping girls so it’s those kind of people to watch out for. I’m going to protect my children from perverted people, unfortunately it’s not so easy to discern the dangerous people these days.

Are you trying to imply that transgender people are more likely to commit the crime of rape as opposed to non transgender people? Are you calling transgender people perverted? Are you saying they are dangerous?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

A person is judged by their character, people can be perverted and evil no matter what their sexual orientation. Right now I’m going to keep it simple cause I really am not going to try to keep up will all the different terms. Male or Female. Could you imagine dealing with animals the same way, is that dog male or female? Not sure 50/50

I agree, judge by character, not by how they look, their sex, their gender, their sexuality, etc.

I don't know if any non-human animal experiences gender dysphoria. They may not have adequately developed consciousness to internalize that much about social expectations, or have the capability to communicate it with me. I do know that animals get judged by inappropriate human standards all the time though. And visa versa.
Can't tell you how many bird owners I've had to tell in rescue/rehab situations not to stroke and pet their birds like you would a cat because that's sexual stimulation for them, and causes behavioral issues.

All animals, including human ones, are complicated.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Are you trying to imply that transgender people are more likely to commit the crime of rape as opposed to non transgender people? Are you calling transgender people perverted? Are you saying they are dangerous?

No I’m not saying that at all, in public how do you personally judge people you don’t know? You’re going to assume everyone is honest and fair, will do no harm? That would be naive, these days you have make judgements. I make those judgements on how people carry themselves, not by sexual orientation.

 

[fantome profane]

No I’m not saying that at all, in public how do you personally judge people you don’t know? You’re going to assume everyone is honest and fair, will do no harm? That would be naive, these days you have make judgements. I make those judgements on how people carry themselves, not by sexual orientation.

Call me naive, but I generally assume people are not out to do me harm. I have lived in big cities all my life, usually in or near the downtown core.

I got mugged once when I was 8 years old. By a kid a year and older who wanted my can of pop. My sister showed up and chased him away (he still got my can of coke )

Since then, no problems.

(but this has nothing to do with the topic).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It needs to stay the norm.

No minor should have any right to authorize any treatment without parent or guardian knowledge.

Yeah, they should. Like vaccinations. There's no reason at all a parent should prevent that if the child wants it.

 

[Shaul]

Stop sexualizing the children. Just stop it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why is a question to someone else any of your business?

It's a public forum.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Stop sexualizing the children. Just stop it.

Yeah. Do stop that. It's curious, to say the least, that you brought that up here.

 

[metis]

If Republicans are supposedly so "conservative", then why do they want to take such personal matters away from parents, their children, and their doctors?

Also, just a reminder that one's "equipment" is not the only factor involved, especially since we know scientifically that sex drive is mostly determined by hormones, not the "equipment".

 

[metis]

Stop sexualizing the children. Just stop it.

Stop making other families' decisions for them. Just stop it.

 

[nPeace]

Maybe they're misinformed:

A viral fake news story linked trans health care to 'thousands' of deaths

“I think all they did is went into the FDA database and looked at reports,” Safer said. “There’s no study here, that’s just a big smorgasbord of reports and so the problem with that is you don't even know that those deaths are connected to the agent they are reported to be connected to.”

Much more likely, Safer said, is that the 6,370 deaths over four decades the FDA lists as connected to this drug are in terminally ill cancer patients who are prescribed Lupron as a palliative, not curative, treatment.

“They wouldn’t even be using it if they weren’t at risk of death,” Safer said of the drug’s use in prostate cancer patients."

This doesn't sound like solid evidence to the contrary, but opinion to the contrary.
Notice the language both here...
The problem is: the “thousands” of people who die while taking these drugs are likely the terminally ill cancer patients who receive hormone blockers to fight hormone-sensitive cancers, like prostate cancer, according to experts.
...and quoted by you.
“I think all they did is went into the FDA database and looked at reports,” Safer said. “There’s no study here, that’s just a big smorgasbord of reports and so the problem with that is you don't even know that those deaths are connected to the agent they are reported to be connected to.”

Much more likely, Safer said, is that the 6,370 deaths over four decades the FDA lists as connected to this drug are in terminally ill cancer patients who are prescribed Lupron as a palliative, not curative, treatment.
...

We don't even know that his guesswork is even credible.

 

[SkepticThinker]

This doesn't sound like solid evidence to the contrary, but opinion to the contrary.
Notice the language both here...
The problem is: the “thousands” of people who die while taking these drugs are likely the terminally ill cancer patients who receive hormone blockers to fight hormone-sensitive cancers, like prostate cancer, according to experts.
...and quoted by you.
“I think all they did is went into the FDA database and looked at reports,” Safer said. “There’s no study here, that’s just a big smorgasbord of reports and so the problem with that is you don't even know that those deaths are connected to the agent they are reported to be connected to.”

Much more likely, Safer said, is that the 6,370 deaths over four decades the FDA lists as connected to this drug are in terminally ill cancer patients who are prescribed Lupron as a palliative, not curative, treatment.
...

We don't even know that his guesswork is even credible.

Or the Breitbart article you cited was poorly written and misleading, including the title of the article. I started to get that impression the moment I realized that the supposed links to the studies from the Breitbart article take you no where.

This, also was included in the Breitbart article you cited:

"Dr. Jane Orient, executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, confirmed to Breitbart News in email comments that while some of the deaths reported by FDA could have been patients who died of prostate cancer, the problem is that very little is known about the use of Lupron “to treat healthy children, deliberately to block normal maturation.”

So again, sounds like this "study" suffered from poor methodology and probably shouldn't be cited as any kind of robust study on the subject.

 

[nPeace]

A stereotypical comment on your part and guilty of doing what you’re accusing someone else of doing. Not at all what I communicated in this thread. Unfortunate our society is that messed where you try to change the definition of male and female. That is determined by your physical body not your emotional or psychological state.

Objective evidence do not count in this instance.
Being a god to oneself allows for some things to be acceptable as a religious belief... if that makes sense.

 

[Sand Dancer]

April 7 (Reuters) - Alabama lawmakers passed a bill on Thursday that would criminalize gender-affirming healthcare for transgender youth, with a threat of 10 years in prison for medical providers.

The legislation, passed 66-28 by the state's House of Representatives on the last day of the legislative session, is the latest in a flurry of measures in Republican-led states dealing with transgender youth.

The American Civil Liberties Union called it the first bill of its kind to make healthcare for transgender youth a felony and said it would challenge the bill in court if Republican Governor Kay Ivey signed it into law.

The bill would make it a felony punishable with up to 10 years in prison to provide medical care including hormone treatment, puberty blockers and gender reassignment surgery to minors.

Democrats in the minority tried to fight the bill in part by arguing it contradicted Republican principles on the role of government.
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You know, the question has to be raised: what exactly is it that motivates so bloody much attention by conservative states about people who represent 0.58% of the US population? Surely, it can't be trying to find an enemy to get their base to focus on -- and maybe take action to hurt. (That shouldn't be difficult, since the Republican base outnumbers transgenders by literally hundreds of thousands to one.

Yet it's still okay to marry your 13 year old cousin.

 

[nPeace]

Or the Breitbart article you cited was poorly written and misleading, including the title of the article. I started to get that impression the moment I realized that the supposed links to the studies from the Breitbart article take you no where.

This, also was included in the Breitbart article you cited:

"Dr. Jane Orient, executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, confirmed to Breitbart News in email comments that while some of the deaths reported by FDA could have been patients who died of prostate cancer, the problem is that very little is known about the use of Lupron “to treat healthy children, deliberately to block normal maturation.”

So again, sounds like this "study" suffered from poor methodology and probably shouldn't be cited as any kind of robust study on the subject.

That's the article you linked. Is it not? So why did you post it?