That is bogus trash.
1. What is meant by persistent and distinct? How is the appropriate time frame determined? A child continues to develop character and change perspective personality through puberty and beyond.
Once again, you're going to have to direct these queries at the entire field of medicine.
"What is meant by "persistent and distinct" signs of bipolar disorder? How do you know it's not just a case of the blues?"
Oh, gee, it's almost as if we have people determine these things through careful observation and research rather than just throwing darts at a board.
And the fact that puberty blockers are one of the treatments used is specifically BECAUSE gendered and non-gender conforming ideation and behaviours before adulthood do not necessarily mean that an individual will be trans as an adult. The whole point of puberty blockers is so that the individual can decide for themselves without the potential of going through puberty (which can be a decisive period of development that dovetails with increased suicide risk for those going through puberty as a biological sex that does not match their gender). The fact that people can change during this period is precisely the point of prescribing blockers rather than going ahead with any potential further gender-corrective procedures. It's to ensure these decisions are made by adults, not children.
2. Puberty is an important component in mental development as much as physical development. To impair its normal development would effect the supposed impartial phycological observation of the child which would skew the affirmation which ironically is what determines the decision to delay puberty to begin with. Somewhat circular reasoning.
You're right. Going through a male puberty statistically makes an individual far more likely to identify as male
regardless of whether or not that is actually true or beneficial to them - and it also results in a lot of trans people, who have been forced through a male puberty, find it almost impossible to correct themselves, leading to significantly worse mental health and suicide statistics. The fact that puberty has this impact is exactly why delaying it can be helpful to a trans person. There is absolutely zero evidence that puberty blockers result in some kind of bias towards "becoming" trans.
3. What is the relationship between going through puberty and becoming an adult? How are they defining Adult and puberty? Typically the two stages of development are related.
Nope. In the vast majority of cases, adulthood is a legal distinction defined by age, not puberty. When you're buying alcohol or buying your first car, they don't typically ask to have a look down your pants to see if you're packing pubic hairs before making the sale.
Can you be a normal adult without going through puberty so you can then make an adult decision?
Yes.
Based on...?
If that were true what does delaying puberty do since delaying puberty doesn't change gender. The physical equipment has already differentiated itself into boy and girl parts normally. And if one can make an informed decision regardless of going through puberty first what benefit is given by delaying puberty?
See above.
4. Any artificial disruption of these normal processes eliminates the possibility of an impartial psychological analysis of the child and would most probably alter the future of the child's development which would possibly have taken a different path if allowed to .
Once again, I am bewildered by the fact that a few posts ago you displayed total ignorance of gender affirming care, and now suddenly you're an expert on sexual development.
Please provide medical sources to indicate the truth of these claims.
Apparently you didn't get my meaning. How do we impartially determine the adult has been sufficiently informed by delaying puberty?
You seem confused. Delaying puberty doesn't "inform" them. It gives them time to BECOME informed.
How does delaying puberty make that adult more sufficiently informed impartially?
Again, that is not the point of puberty blockers.
What would happen is you make an observation previous to puberty and then delay puberty so that the person makes a prepubescent decision. That's indoctrination.
Gee, that sure would be bad. Good thing we have doctors, psychologists and all manner of other experts available whose whole job is to not let that happen.
I see your resorting to ad hominin attacks more often.
You don't know what an ad hominem is.
This is my point. And not really. "Trans" psychology still has to establish its observations based upon some normal definitions of boy and girl.
No, it doesn't. What we identify as and what we normalize are two different things. A person can identify with a gender without adhering to any of the things we consider "normal" to associate with that particular gender. It's purely a matter of self-identification.
What are they observing to make their determinations? What is the criteria to base judgements upon? Societal definitions of how a boy or girl should act? Couldn't be simply gender because that would be physically obvious in a normal human.
Again, you might as well be asking how we identify paediatric bipolar disorder, or autism, or how we determine specialized care, or who belongs in remedial or advanced classes. I suggest you ask the medical experts, because this is an extremely complicated subject with literally millions of different, individual cases. There is no simple yardstick doctors use to separate the "trans" from the "not trans".
So again.....like I was saying, it is notoriously difficult if not impossible to determine future adult characteristics and preferences based upon prepubescent observations.
Good thing we assign many experts to determining it and then allowing each individual to make determinations for themselves.
?? What about being a boy do you wish to be able to choose? Gender itself if your not a boy? Take up your grievance with nature. You want to wear boys cloths? Go ahead. What choices do you mean? No one is saying socialization doesn't take place. What I am saying is that socialization doesn't dictate your gender nor how you mentally relate to your physical body.
My gender was assigned at birth. All through my life I was told I was a boy. Nobody ever told me I could be a girl if I wanted, or that I could wear dresses, or like dolls, or do anything specifically associated with being female. This was actively discouraged in me from birth.
So, by your standards, I was indoctrinated into being male, correct?
That's ridiculous. Since when do we seek to normalize disease, or stress in humanity?
The reason not to is that once you normalize a disease you stop seeking to alleviate the distress it causes in the organism
Being trans isn't a disease. And the fact that we seek to eliminate pain and stress is exactly why we do gender affirming care with trans people and why we should normalized being trans.
That's a false dichotomy. Correlation does not equate to causation.
So you're just going to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore all of the studies that show that pre-and-post transition trans people have significantly different suicide rates? That gender-affirming care can reduce suicidality in trans people to as much as
1/17th of its previous number?
I would be interested in the study confirming the relation between gender-affirming care and suicide though if you can remember which one.
Mental Health Outcomes in Transgender and Nonbinary Youths Receiving Gender-Affirming Care - PubMed
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As I've indicated elsewhere, I believe the stated purpose of gender-affirming care is dangerous pseudo science in that its methodology in impartial analysis is flawed.
Then you ought to be happy, since you are wrong. It is not dangerous. And unless you believe all of medicine is engaged in some kind of conspiracy, its methodology is sound.
Like I've also said suicide rates continue to rise not fall in these subgroups.
Unless they receive proper care. In which case every study I have seen shows a decrease.
One consequence of gender-affirming care may vary well be an increase in amount of distress in the trans or non-binary (whatever that means) society not a lessoning overall.
Good thing the evidence is contrary to that.
I don't however have to like a persons predilection to enjoying sodomy or bestiality for instance. Nor do I have to like the fact that some people seem to be born into a gender that their mind tells them is the wrong one which causes them stress.
Please learn what "gender" is. You are not "born into" a gender. You are confusing sex and gender.
My statements weren't meant to indicate I'm transphobic or homophobic or whatever gender type phobic and afraid of that group. I am not. Nor, like I've been trying to say, do I hate the person that is distressed with these things. I'm friends with several different types. I don't like their preferences though. Smoking is bad for you. I hate smoking. I'm friends with many smokers though. I do hate it, right or wrong, when those that smoke are proud of it though I must admit.
The difference being that people aren't born smoking, and smoking isn't something that people can't do anything about, and smokers aren't hated to the extent that they are constantly under threat of violence, social isolation and arrest around the world simply for something they cannot help.
If you can understand why someone saying "I don't hate or fear black people, I just don't like their preference for being black, and I think we ought to treat them like their being black is a problem and try to normalize the idea of being non-black" sounds like a racist, you can understand why the above statement makes you sound like a transphobe and a homophobe.
Why is it when someone speaks out against certain things its always assumed that they are scared or phobic?
Not always. For example, your dislike of smokers is perfectly reasonable. It's your dislike of an innate facet of certain people because of things that they cannot control that negative labels are attached to you.
I consider trans people and the promulgation of gender "vagueness", and normalized sexual deviancy by disbanding definitions of normalcy a symptom of what is a threat to society though.
Then be relieved, because you're just wrong.