Alabama passes bill making some transgender healthcare a felony

[ImmortalFlame]

I’m a woman and there should exist no questions about whether I was born that way or not. Simply put, trans women are not women.

Then what is a woman? And why is that a problem with the "cis" label?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

This is beginning to anger me. I have not, nor will I ever label myself and others who don't have gender dysphoria as cis. I'm female, that's my sex/gender. I recommend anyone else who doesn't have gender dysphoria, refuse the cis label as well. After all, it's because we're swallowing the load these people are producing that all this is happening to begin with. Don't drink the Kool-Aid.

I missed this previous post and it made me laugh.
You would have definitely been the person who was like
'I'M NOT HEREROSEXUAL I'M JUST NORMAL!'

Love, a ciswoman.

 

[F1fan]

We believe that God will remake this world and that a large segment of humanity will continue.

Sure, the God that made the Garden of Eden, which failed. The God that flooded the earth to get rid of sin, and failed. The God that had a son and had him executed to pay for the sins of mankind, but fixed nothing. And now your God is going to try again by destroying humanity is a global catastrophe, and that'll fix it?

I think you Christian extremists have had enough time to sell your idea of God as smart and competent, so it's time to let moral and decent stewards who accept climate change science to run things for a while. Maybe we can save the planet for future generations. Let's hoe the future generations abandon Christian extremism and accept science and reason. It seems to be the case so far.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Even people living in the larger towns that I've met are not as trustworthy as your average redneck, in my experience. The larger the town, the more likely they are to be people who care little about helping others. Locally, I can't think of hardly any country people I would not trust to have my back, even if they are a little rough. The city transplants I'm just not sure about. If things go bad, the locals will band together and help the less fortunate. When the same thing happens in cities, you see a lot of people just living out survival of the fittest and taking what they want.

The way you're treating my community, I myself would likely not have your back. Most likely not, I'd say, because I'd have the backs of the real country rednecks who tend to judge being a good person based on things like trustability and how you treat their family. Probably have better odds too since they understand banding together for survival rather than this idea of winging it on your own and don't get caught up in hateful dogma from the pulpit or siding much with politics.

 

[SkepticThinker]

He immediately shut down the pipeline, which has an immediate effect on gas prices. It doesn't matter that it would take time for the pipeline to get up to speed, it still has an effect. Inflation has increased every month of Joe Biden’s presidency.
Since taking office, Biden has enacted an anti-energy agenda that has caused energy prices to skyrocket.
Then there’s the $300 per week supplemental unemployment insurance that is most definitely making it harder for small businesses to hire back staff and limiting job growth.
His $1.9 trillion stimulus bill that passed in March was too big and too inflationary.
Biden, kowtowing to the progressives in his party, proposed massive tax increases on corporations and high-earning individuals. His plan immediately alarmed small business owners and CEOs of large firms, which filters down to fewer hires and less investing.

And he spent too much taxpayers money to fight other countries wars.

Gas prices and inflation have risen pretty much everywhere around the world. Joe Biden isn't responsible for that.

It's interesting to know that you think supporting people who are out of struggling and out of work is a bad thing. I bet you call financial support "entitlements" too, don't you?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Antifi are a bunch of skinny, weak vegan college kids.

My grandfather was antifa. He fought against the fascists in WWII.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I already gave evidence. If you want to plug your ears and go Nah, nah, nah so be it.
We are all suffering under this administration.

You gave zero evidence.
Just a bunch of claims.

I really wish some people would learn the difference between claims and evidence.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I cited a lot more than that.. you ignored most of it. And yes, he's responsible for some of that too, because of his energy policies.
I honestly don't know how a lot of people are going to afford to heat their houses this winter.
I suspect a lot of them are barely making enough to buy food and pay the mortgage, seeing as how literally everything is 25 percent to 50 percent higher than last year. Fertilizer price s pretty much doubled, and we're starting to see what that means for food prices.

You cited nothing.
You claimed a lot.

Energy prices have risen by up to 80% for British households. Is that Biden's fault too?

 

[Reyn]

Then what is a woman? And why is that a problem with the "cis" label?

A woman is an adult human female. To produce a woman, you take a girl, born female. She goes through female puberty. You know, the type where she produces estrogen naturally? Yes… that. She also very likely will go through menses and if she finds the right adult human male, she will become impregnated and have a baby.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

A woman is an adult human female. To produce a woman, you take a girl, born female. She goes through female puberty. You know, the type where she produces estrogen naturally? Yes… that. She also very likely will go through menses and if she finds the right adult human male, she will become impregnated and have a baby.

Sex =/= Gender. Nobody confirms your genitals, chromosomes, pubescent history or any of that to treat you as a woman, which is a much less clear cut mix of social queues and personal identity.

Also I only fit about half that criteria. I do not produce very high levels of estrogen naturally, it has to be supplemented, I don't have a menstrual cycle and I will never have children. My idea of what puberty was like is also probably vastly different.

 

[Reyn]

Sex =/= Gender. Nobody confirms your genitals, chromosomes, pubescent history or any of that to treat you as a woman, which is a much less clear cut mix of social queues and personal identity.

Also I only fit about half that criteria. I do not produce very high levels of estrogen naturally, it has to be supplemented, I don't have a menstrual cycle and I will never have children. My idea of what puberty was like is also probably vastly different.

Were your born female? You know, with female reproductive organs?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Were your born female? If so, you're in a minority and minorities aren't a good point to debate the majority from.

Ignoring minorities for an absolutist position doesnt make a good argument, just makes one thats oversimplified and lacking in nuance. There are more people with ambiguous sex characteristics than there are people with red hair, but you'd never say red hair shouldn't be included in the definition of hair colors just because it's less common.

And besides which, people with ambiguous sex characteristic showing that sex is a spectrum has nothing to do with transgender people because, once again, gender =/= sex.

 

[metis]

I’m a woman and there should exist no questions about whether I was born that way or not. Simply put, trans women are not women.

Simply put, what business is of our yours what another person does to or with their own body?

 

[Reyn]

Simply put, what business is of our yours what another person does to or with their own body?

I never made it my business to disallow mentally ill adults from receiving genital mutilation. However, I also do not agree that I should be forced to use anyone's preferred pronouns, nor validate their identity by calling them men if they are women or women if they are men. We clear?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I never made it my business to disallow mentally ill adults from receiving genital mutilation. However, I also do not agree that I should be forced to use anyone's preferred pronouns, nor validate their identity by calling them men if they are women or women if they are men. We clear?

Transgender is not a mental illness and will not be referred to as such here. We clear?

 

[Reyn]

Ignoring minorities for an absolutist position doesnt make a good argument, just makes one thats oversimplified and lacking in nuance. There are more people with ambiguous sex characteristics than there are people with red hair, but you'd never say red hair shouldn't be included in the definition of hair colors just because it's less common.

And besides which, people with ambiguous sex characteristic showing that sex is a spectrum has nothing to do with transgender people because, once again, gender =/= sex.

Gingers are a minority but that didn't stop Disney from blackwashing Ariel, did it? Anyways, back to the topic. I'm against trans women being considered women because it's erasing womanhood itself. It's also erasing lesbians, since what even is a lesbian now? It's a woman who isn't attracted to a man and by default, who isn't into dick. However, I've heard mentally ill men who are deluded into thinking they are women say that lesbians who don't want to go out with them because they have a penis are transphobic. They aren't and I'm sick of this.

 

[Reyn]

Transgender is not a mental illness and will not be referred to as such here. We clear?

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. We clear? If a person can't handle living life without body mutilation, including the use of cross sex hormones or else they will hit self delete, they are poster children for mental illness. That's what a mental illness is. That's what a disorder is. It's being unable to live in society with your mental health condition, without treatment.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Gingers are a minority but that didn't stop Disney from blackwashing Ariel, did it? Anyways, back to the topic. I'm against trans women being considered women because it's erasing womanhood itself. It's also erasing lesbians, since what even is a lesbian now? It's a woman who isn't attracted to a man and by default, who isn't into dick. However, I've heard mentally ill men who are deluded into thinking they are women say that lesbians who don't want to go out with them because they have a penis are transphobic. They aren't and I'm sick of this.

Ariel is a fictional fantasy creature from Atlantis. I'd you have more trouble with her being portrayed as black than green that says something more about you. Also, black people can also have red hair, not that you care. The Origins Of Black People With Red Hair

Also, as I've said, my experience of womanhood isn't any more erased by transwomen existing than yours is.

Understanding that there is more to the experience of being female than stereotypes, if anything, has benefitted me because, as I said, TERF nerds are more likely to try and stop me in bathrooms because they think women can be just one thing that looks amd behaves one way and that's severely myopic.

Lesbians are women who are attracted to women, whether that be attracted to their stereotypes of what women means aesthetically (which I'm not a fan of) or reducing womanhood to strictly 'having a vagina' which is also gross and anttithetical to generations of feminism.

All the same, if it's some great suffering and tribulation for you to say 'I prefer tacos to hot dogs' then I'm not really sure what to say. It reminds me of lesbians I've met who don't consider bisexuals really bisexual unless they're currently in a same sex relationship.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Gingers are a minority but that didn't stop Disney from blackwashing Ariel, did it? Anyways, back to the topic. I'm against trans women being considered women because it's erasing womanhood itself. It's also erasing lesbians, since what even is a lesbian now? It's a woman who isn't attracted to a man and by default, who isn't into dick. However, I've heard mentally ill men who are deluded into thinking they are women say that lesbians who don't want to go out with them because they have a penis are transphobic. They aren't and I'm sick of this.

These people are usually fetishists and do not respresent trans women. A trans women obviously isn't going to be a huge fan of her natal genitals. The ones I've seen who are really into their penises are usually either sex workers or perverts. They gross everyone out, even trans people. And anyone can reject anyone for any reason, sure.

 

[Reyn]

Ariel is a fictional fantasy creature from Atlantis. I'd you have more trouble with her being portrayed as black than green that says something more about you. Also, black people can also have red hair, not that you care. The Origins Of Black People With Red Hair

Also, as I've said, my experience of womanhood isn't any more erased by transwomen existing than yours is.

Understanding that there is more to the experience of being female than stereotypes, if anything, has benefitted me because, as I said, TERF nerds are more likely to try and stop me in bathrooms because they think women can be just one thing that looks amd behaves one way and that's severely myopic.

Lesbians are women who are attracted to women, whether that be attracted to their stereotypes of what women means aesthetically (which I'm not a fan of) or reducing womanhood to strictly 'having a vagina' which is also gross and anttithetical to generations of feminism.

All the same, if it's some great suffering and tribulation for you to say 'I prefer tacos to hot dogs' then I'm not really sure what to say. It reminds me of lesbians I've met who don't consider bisexuals really bisexual unless they're currently in a same sex relationship.

If you're a biological male and you're using a women's washroom, you should be arrested. Furthermore, you keep giving me reason for suspicion regarding your sex, so I'm just going to outright ask it. Do you have a vagina? Were your born with ovaries? Do you have a womb? Answer all three.