Aliens (again)

[Jayhawker Soule]

What does the existence of aliens have to exist for space travel?

This is a thread about aliens. It nice that you admit that your comments have been irrelevant. :slap:

 

[yossarian22]

This is a thread about aliens. It nice that you admit that your comments have been irrelevant. :slap:

How were they irrelevant? Read the OP. Some people took objection to the idea of intelligent aliens turning a planet into a genetic experiment on the grounds of the impossibility of faster than light travel. Faster than light travel is not needed for interstellar travel, so the possibility remains open.
My last couple of posts were admittedly off topic.

 

[frg001]

This is a thread about aliens. It nice that you admit that your comments have been irrelevant. :slap:

Yet strangely far more interesting to the thread than anything you have input thus far.

While it is no doubt fun to chat about space travel, you must first have reason to believe it likely that extraterrestrial species exist with the interest and capacity to even attempt such a thing, and I see no basis for such an assumption other than naivete and a fundamental misunderstanding of evolution.

Yet more classic put downs with no backup. Waste of a post.

 

[frg001]

That is the whole idea behind it. Launching an interstellar ship off of earth is an impossibility due to the amount of energy needed to get off the planet. Of course we need to find a systema worth going to first.

Space station / Moon base / Light sail - even we can come up with ideas to counter such trivial problems, but I am talking about the probability of aliens having done so already.

 

[Moey]

I think it is possible that aliens have visited and/or planted life here. At one time all of mankind believed that the world was flat....Now we believe you can't travel faster than light. Curious don't you think?

I am not so ignorant to think that there is no life anywhere else in the universe. In fact I wish an intelligent alien race would come visit and show us just how idiotic humans have become.

 

[Super Universe]

While it is no doubt fun to chat about space travel, you must first have reason to believe it likely that extraterrestrial species exist with the interest and capacity to even attempt such a thing, and I see no basis for such an assumption other than naivete and a fundamental misunderstanding of evolution.

Where does the Theory of Evolution prohibit the existence of extraterrestrial species?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Where does the Theory of Evolution prohibit the existence of extraterrestrial species?

Where do I suggest that it does? Please try to keep up ...

 

[Super Universe]

You posted that you see no basis for assuming extraterrestrial species exist other than a misunderstanding of evolution.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You posted that you see no basis for assuming extraterrestrial species exist other than a misunderstanding of evolution.

Again, where to I state that "the Theory of Evolution prohibit the existence of extraterrestrial species"?

 

[logician]

It could be that the evolution of "intelligent" species such as ourselves is a very rare occurrence, and we hit the evolutionary "lottery" so to speak. Of course, we really don't really know, but we do know that we haven't detected "intelligent" signals in space yet, and also we haven't found hard evidence of any alien visits to earth. Other posibilities are that the evolution of intelligent species is more common, but they tend to self destruct for various reasons. I read somewhere that an intelligent species intent on the colonization of our galaxy could do so in 50 million years or so, so there's been plenty of time for that to happen. Whether such a thing has or is taking place remains to be seen.

 

[frg001]

It could be that the evolution of "intelligent" species such as ourselves is a very rare occurrence, and we hit the evolutionary "lottery" so to speak. Of course, we really don't really know, but we do know that we haven't detected "intelligent" signals in space yet, and also we haven't found hard evidence of any alien visits to earth. Other posibilities are that the evolution of intelligent species is more common, but they tend to self destruct for various reasons. I read somewhere that an intelligent species intent on the colonization of our galaxy could do so in 50 million years or so, so there's been plenty of time for that to happen. Whether such a thing has or is taking place remains to be seen.

I tend to believe that any alien species that has evolved that far and not self-destructed, would be benign. Maybe I'm being naive, but I can't see how an agressive species would get so far advanced.
So my guess would be that other alien species know we're here, and have maybe visited, but would leave us alone...

(Allowing for the possibility I mentioned in the thread opener)

 

[Super Universe]

I tend to believe that any alien species that has evolved that far and not self-destructed, would be benign. Maybe I'm being naive, but I can't see how an agressive species would get so far advanced.
So my guess would be that other alien species know we're here, and have maybe visited, but would leave us alone...

(Allowing for the possibility I mentioned in the thread opener)

Are bears benign? Sharks? Humans? What makes you think interstellar travel removes all selfishness?

You think they'd leave us alone? Yeah, unless you have something they want...

 

[yossarian22]

I tend to believe that any alien species that has evolved that far and not self-destructed, would be benign. Maybe I'm being naive, but I can't see how an agressive species would get so far advanced.
So my guess would be that other alien species know we're here, and have maybe visited, but would leave us alone...

Given the enourmous amount of energy to travel to another system? I doubt they would have left us alone. If anything, they would have strip mined the solar system and left within a few thousand years.

 

[cardero]

Are bears benign? Sharks? Humans? What makes you think interstellar travel removes all selfishness?

You think they'd leave us alone? Yeah, unless you have something they want...

From the literature that I have read many researchers seem to propose various agendas for different species.

It seems that this is what the debunkers and the skeptics are concerned about. Not only do they discard the possibility that anything could exist to be smarter than humans but they also seem to display a faith that this intelligence wouldn't be able to interact with humans without us knowing about it. They may be mistaken on both accounts.

 

[logician]

One can only go by the only intelligent species we know of, ourselves, and we seem to be open to communication with alien species, indeed we are diligently seeking out any intelligent life. I suspect if there are intelligent aliens out there, at least some of them are doing the same. Perhaps we will meet up in some way.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It could be that the evolution of "intelligent" species such as ourselves is a very rare occurrence, and we hit the evolutionary "lottery" so to speak.

We also have every reason to believe that we are the unintended consequence of an unimaginably complex web of occurrences that served to both enable and constrain our development. And we know about the Monte Carlo fallacy.

 

[frg001]

Given the enourmous amount of energy to travel to another system? I doubt they would have left us alone. If anything, they would have strip mined the solar system and left within a few thousand years.

I tend not to think like that. I would have thought the energy issue would be another problem to be solved too. After all the potential energy in every single atom is pretty immense.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

There may be other species native to this planet that are more intelligent than us, and who think both us and our way of life is barbarous in the extreme.
They could be right.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

There may be other species native to this planet that are more intelligent than us, and who think both us and our way of life is barbarous in the extreme.

In precisely the same sense that "there may be" Leprechauns riding around on Unicorns, all kept invisible by a cloud of Pixie dust.

 

[frg001]

There may be other species native to this planet that are more intelligent than us, and who think both us and our way of life is barbarous in the extreme.
They could be right.

Can you ellaborate? Sounds a little bizarre.