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All 45 Christian institutions in Mosul occupied or destroyed by ISIS

Matemkar

Active Member
Well..I don't think that melting Politics and Religion is a good idea. European Muslims are the most pacific people you'll ever meet. They never talk about religion, have a cosmopolitan mind, and live in perfect harmony with Christians. Wonderful mosques were built in Europe and these Islamic communities love confrontation with the other religions. But European countries are all secular states. When also Israel and other Islamic countries will become as secular as European countries, they will have peace as we do in Europe.

To me politics should be religion and religion should be politics. What matters is if one follows a religion which has universal concepts and which wants to establish peace and justice through the correct domestic and foreign policy. And I am against secular state, at least within my country, which uses "religion" for its agenda when it needs.
 

Matemkar

Active Member
Again, you're missing the point as outhouse also mentioned, namely what we were commenting on is the reality of Muslem on Muslem violence and war that you denied.

You are not following. I did not deny it. I denied this:

The CIA estimates that Iran spends over $300 million per year on supporting terrorist groups worldwide that are so willing to even massacre masses of fellow Muslems that they religiously disagree with.

And as for:

Wow, when Israel treats Syrians it is accused of treating terrorists and if it does nothing, it is accused of being heartless.

It is not ordinary Syrians. "Israel" is treating the terrorists. And if it cared for humanity that much, it wouldn't bomb the mosques, the schools and the hospitals in Gaza. But, again, the thread is derailing. Sorry op.
 
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Avi1001

reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
All 45 Christian Institutions in Mosul Destroyed or Occupied By ISIS - A Russian Orthodox Church Website

This is straight-up religious cleansing. The prejudice these terrorists have against Christians astounds me. We're seeing at least the beginnings of what we may later know as the Holocaust of Christians in the Middle East.

First, I will express my sorrow for this development and sad state of events in Iraq.

I have discussed my thoughts on this issue on other threads, and they all seem to have a common theme. We are dealing with asymmetric wars throughout the Middle East.

So I think the bigger picture issue, for this thread as well, is how do we help these people, who are victims of an asymmetric war ?

Of course the first thing that needs to be accomplished is to get the people food and water and shelter.

What is next ?
 
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Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
First, I will express my sorrow for this development and sad state of events in Iraq.

I have discussed my thoughts on this issue on other threads, and they all seem to have a common theme. We are dealing with asymmetric wars throughout the Middle East.

So I think the bigger picture issue, for this thread as well, is how do we help these people, who are victims of an asymmetric war ?

Of course the first thing that needs to be accomplished is to get the people food and water and shelter.

What is next ?
Hey, sorry it took me a while to get back to you.

I think the next step, if ISIS is to continue advancing, would be to evacuate the Christians and Yezidis far from anywhere that ISIS could reach them. Israel is an option, and I doubt that Iran would capitulate to radical Sunnis. The farther reaches of Kurdistan may also be helpful.

But on a more global scale, the US has an insane amount of resources to take care of any refugees that come to our country, in terms of food, water and areas to house them; it would hardly be a drop in the bucket for us to take care of even a hundred thousand refugees. If more of our people were aware of the horrors our fellow Christians in the Middle East were facing, as well as that suffered by the Yezidis, Druze and other religious minorities, I'd like to think we would have organized larger relief efforts already. As it is, many of us are just hearing about these horrors for the first time this week, thanks to CNN's and Fox News' coverage just getting started on the crisis.

But I fear that any US intervention in Iraq and Syria may be limited; from what I can gather, public opinion has been tending more towards "Let's stay out of other peoples' wars", but on the flip side, as people grow more aware of the ISIS crisis, people are growing more supportive of whatever military or humanitarian support may come--even a ground invasion wouldn't be unpopular, I don't think. And I don't think the government has caught on to that, if they even care.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Oh really?! Apparently you must be the only person in the world who doesn't either see this, or maybe you just can't admit to it. Which groups are doing the fighting in Iraq? Syria? the Kurds v the Turks? Hamas v el-Fatah? Iran v Iraq in the 1980's?

NEWS FLASH! There have been far more Muslem killed by other Muslems than any other group killed by Muslems.
Let's not forget that the US, run by Xian politicians, has done more to foment
Muslim v Muslim violence than any other country. Don't forget where Saddam
got the WMDs he used against Iran & the Kurds. Ain't nobody pure in this conflict.
 

Matemkar

Active Member
Good points bro. But just to add, to me American leaders have nothing to do with Christianity.

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But they just use the name of Christianity. And they and their regional allies have been the ones supporting the movements like FSA, IF, etc which gave birth to the illegitimate ISIS and others.

And now, they are saying they want to protect the nations from ISIS, which to me is fishy. Because they never did something in the reigon for the welfare of the nations.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I don't blame Xianity per se for Americastanian leaders' sins, but I note that their religious beliefs
are related to their treatment of Islamic countries. Moreover, their religion ought to prevent them
from committing some of the worst of their acts.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Israelis killed Lebanese Christians? The civil war was Christians vs. Muslims and not Christians and Muslims together as brothers/sisters vs. cruel Zionist invader
it's seems you ignored the history about Israel involved in Lebanan !!!
some christinas were pro-israel and some were against israel .


Israel army killed also American peace activity


watch this :
Israeli bulldozer driver murders American peace activist



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBPf29ZOWkg


Israelis want to create a state from Nile to Euphrates by killing all Christians and Yezidis?:facepalm:
On second thoughts I guess, ISIS is actually Jewish Zionists:rolleyes:
Israel and ISIS both are blood thirsty and land thirsty .
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Let's not forget that the US, run by Xian politicians, has done more to foment
Muslim v Muslim violence than any other country. Don't forget where Saddam
got the WMDs he used against Iran & the Kurds. Ain't nobody pure in this conflict.

precisely. and no Islamic country was involved in the nine eleven facts.
Gheddafi said it. so...the Iraqi war...please...let's be honest. It had nothing to do with the 9 11
 
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