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All Nationalities: What is Freedom?

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angellous_evangellous

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Just because you couldn't prove why i'm wrong so i became irrationally pessimistic? :rolleyes:

You don't have any evidence to support that Iraq can produce a thousand fanatics like Zarqawi. That's irrational pessimism. You have scores of baseless statements that you have utterly failed to defend on this thread like:

The Truth said:
Most of americans know that Bush went there for oil but not for freedom !!!

The US military don't give a damn to those people and they are killing anyone in the way if they just have DOUBT they are part of the resistance there.

Voting is nothing and it's turning to be a civil war in there

I see now where is the freedom you gonna bring for Iraqi people, if they disagree with your thoughts and expectations so they are terrorists and making up things.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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The Truth said:
Wow, that's nice. what about ...

Saddam was hurting people.

Duh....

kev said:
No, but your government better not either harbor the thugs that kill us as in Afghanistan, or they better not break a cease fire agreement like Iraq did (especially when there is a hundred reasons to invade a country, I wouldnt reccomend breaking a cease fire agreement).
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If America and the world had to be deceived for us to go to war for our liberty, I'm proud that my friends and family fought and died on foreign soil.

This is the funniest thing i have ever heard since ages. :D

Now you are talking real and you stopped your babling about helping Iraqi people. Yeah, honesty is good even if it was hard.

You forgot that just before few minutes you were saying:

That's hard to prove when our military is building schools, repairing mosques, training the Iraqi police force, and rebuilding the infrastructure of Iraq. The rebuilding of Iraq and the establishment of its new government is for the Iraqi people - and not for some dictator - and they will determine their destiny.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
And individual's freedom in American can usually be defined by how much they take for granted.
 

kevmicsmi

Well-Known Member
The Truth said:
Wow, that's nice. what about ...
I was talking about American freedom. Our international policy is predicated on what is in the best interest of America. I agree with that. Fortunately, all the America haters are lucky that we are the most judicious superpower with our might ever.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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This is the funniest thing i have ever heard since ages. :D

I'm glad you like it. I doubt you would think it was funny if you should ever get in our way.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
kevmicsmi said:
I was talking about American freedom. Our international policy is predicated on what is in the best interest of America. I agree with that. Fortunately, all the America haters are lucky that we are the most judicious superpower with our might ever.

No kidding.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Artist/Band: Keith Toby
Lyrics for Song: Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue
Lyrics for Album: Greatest Hits 2

American girls and American guys, will always stand up and salute.
We'll always recognize, when we see ol' glory flying,
There's a lot of men dead,
So we can sleep in peace at night when we lay down our heads.
My daddy served in the army where he lost his right eye,
But he flew a flag out in our yard 'til the day that he died.
He wanted my mother, my brother, my sister and me.
To grow up and live happy in the land of the free.

Now this nation that I love is fallin' under attack.
A mighty sucker-punch came flying in from somewhere in the back.
Soon as we could see clearly through our big black eye,
Man, we lit up your world like the fourth of July.

Hey, Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list,
And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist.
And the eagle will fly and it's gonna be hell,
When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell.
And it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you.
Ah, brought to you, courtesy of the red, white and blue.

Oh, justice will be served and the battle will rage:
This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage.
An' you'll be sorry that you messed with the U.S. of A.
'Cos we'll put a boot in your a$$, it's the American way.

Hey, Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list,
And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist.
And the eagle will fly and it's gonna be hell,
When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell.
And it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you.
Ah, brought to you, courtesy of the red, white and blue.

Oh, oh.
Of the red, white and blue.
Oh, hey, oh.
Of my Red, White and Blue.
 

kai

ragamuffin
isnt it your turn truth i asked what your idea of freedom was you said you would answer after A.E
 
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angellous_evangellous

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kai said:
isnt it your turn truth i asked what your idea of freedom was you said you would answer after A.E

See above post # 3
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
No more Toby Keith, please.:( Not only is that song isipid but certain parts of my brain started to melt.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Grandpappy told my pappy, back in my day, son
A man had to answer for the wicked that he done
Take all the rope in texas
Find a tall oak tree, round up all of them bad boys
Hang them high in the street for all the people to see that
(Willi Nelson sings this part)

Chorus:

Justice is the one thing you should always find
You got to saddle up your boys
You got to draw a hard line
When the gun smoke settles well sing a victory tune
Well all meet back at the local saloon
Well raise up our glasses against evil forces
Singing whiskey for my men, beer for my horses
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
gnomon said:
Onward christian soldier.

Yes... I can't be a chaplin because I can't be on the front lines without a weapon. I'm not a pacifist and I never have been, and I'm just uncomfortable with a soldier protecting me instead of fighting beside me.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
angellous_evangellous said:
Grandpappy told my pappy, back in my day, son
A man had to answer for the wicked that he done
Take all the rope in texas
Find a tall oak tree, round up all of them bad boys
Hang them high in the street for all the people to see that
(Kenny Rogers sings this part)

Chorus:

Justice is the one thing you should always find
You got to saddle up your boys
You got to draw a hard line
When the gun smoke settles well sing a victory tune
Well all meet back at the local saloon
Well raise up our glasses against evil forces
Singing whiskey for my men, beer for my horses
Ah, yes, Kenny Rogers is known for his deep spiritual and philosophical insights into life ... and the wise way in which he's lived his own.

*haha*
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
PureX said:
Ah, yes, Kenny Rogers is known for his deep spiritual and philosophical insights into life ... and the wise way in which he's lived his own.

*haha*

Ooops - that was a bad brain fart - it's Willi Nelson, not Kenny Rogers that sings that stanza in Beer for my horses. Nelson comes out here in Ft. Worth every fourth of July. Great guy.

I don't recall ever hearing anything bad about Willi Nelson. Next thing I know you'll be trashin' Johnny Cash - how can anyone hate the feller who sings On the Road Again or Folsom Prison?
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Johnny Cash "Man in Black"

Well, you wonder why I always dress in black,
Why you never see bright colors on my back,
And why does my appearance seem to have a somber tone.
Well, there's a reason for the things that I have on.


I wear the black for the poor and the beaten down,
Livin' in the hopeless, hungry side of town,
I wear it for the prisoner who has long paid for his crime,
But is there because he's a victim of the times.


I wear the black for those who never read,
Or listened to the words that Jesus said,
About the road to happiness through love and charity,
Why, you'd think He's talking straight to you and me.


Well, we're doin' mighty fine, I do suppose,
In our streak of lightnin' cars and fancy clothes,
But just so we're reminded of the ones who are held back,
Up front there ought 'a be a Man In Black.

I wear it for the sick and lonely old,
For the reckless ones whose bad trip left them cold,
I wear the black in mournin' for the lives that could have been,
Each week we lose a hundred fine young men.


And, I wear it for the thousands who have died,
Believen' that the Lord was on their side,
I wear it for another hundred thousand who have died,
Believen' that we all were on their side.

Well, there's things that never will be right I know,
And things need changin' everywhere you go,
But 'til we start to make a move to make a few things right,
You'll never see me wear a suit of white.


Ah, I'd love to wear a rainbow every day,
And tell the world that everything's OK,
But I'll try to carry off a little darkness on my back,
'Till things are brighter, I'm the Man In Black.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Ballad of Ira Hays

Ira Hayes,
Ira Hayes

CHORUS:
Call him drunken Ira Hayes
He won't answer anymore
Not the whiskey drinkin' Indian
Nor the Marine that went to war

Gather round me people there's a story I would tell
About a brave young Indian you should remember well
From the land of the Pima Indian
A proud and noble band
Who farmed the Phoenix valley in Arizona land

Down the ditches for a thousand years
The water grew Ira's peoples' crops
'Till the white man stole the water rights
And the sparklin' water stopped

Now Ira's folks were hungry
And their land grew crops of weeds
When war came, Ira volunteered
And forgot the white man's greed

CHORUS:
Call him drunken Ira Hayes
He won't answer anymore
Not the whiskey drinkin' Indian
Nor the Marine that went to war

There they battled up Iwo Jima's hill,
Two hundred and fifty men
But only twenty-seven lived to walk back down again

And when the fight was over
And when Old Glory raised
Among the men who held it high
Was the Indian, Ira Hayes

CHORUS:
Call him drunken Ira Hayes
He won't answer anymore
Not the whiskey drinkin' Indian
Nor the Marine that went to war

Ira returned a hero
Celebrated through the land
He was wined and speeched and honored; Everybody shook his hand

But he was just a Pima Indian
No water, no crops, no chance
At home nobody cared what Ira'd done
And when did the Indians dance

CHORUS:
Call him drunken Ira Hayes
He won't answer anymore
Not the whiskey drinkin' Indian
Nor the Marine that went to war

Then Ira started drinkin' hard;
Jail was often his home
They'd let him raise the flag and lower it
like you'd throw a dog a bone!

He died drunk one mornin'
Alone in the land he fought to save
Two inches of water in a lonely ditch
Was a grave for Ira Hayes

CHORUS:
Call him drunken Ira Hayes
He won't answer anymore
Not the whiskey drinkin' Indian
Nor the Marine that went to war

Yeah, call him drunken Ira Hayes
But his land is just as dry
And his ghost is lyin' thirsty
In the ditch where Ira died
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Incidentally, both Willi and Johnny play Martin guitars...

willie.jpg


cash.jpg
 

PureX

Veteran Member
angellous_evangellous said:
Ooops - that was a bad brain fart - it's Willi Nelson, not Kenny Rogers that sings that stanza in Beer for my horses. Nelson comes out here in Ft. Worth every fourth of July. Great guy.

I don't recall ever hearing anything bad about Willi Nelson. Next thing I know you'll be trashin' Johnny Cash - how can anyone hate the feller who sings On the Road Again or Folsom Prison?
Well, I admit that Willie Nelson is a Rhodes Scholar compared to Kenny Rodgers or Tobey Kieth. But you get the point.
 
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