Are you preaching to me?
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All non Christians ought to be crucified....
- Thread starter LukeS
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Are you preaching to me?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
No, I'm telling you what scripture infers, contrary to your statement. I don't preach.
I'd assume we'd have to return to animal sacrifice.
Human sacrifice was pretty much prohibited. Which you kind of wonder why God broke his own rules in the case of Jesus.
How do you know? Been there?
Seems like theology is based a lot on assumption. Folks get used to what is a constant experience for them. Pain that can't be avoided becomes the norm.
Purple1
Member
I understand what you mean. I just want to clarify that I don't presume that the Bible is true. I'm just pointing out that this is ''what (or something that) is written in it.'' And trying to clarify what is the meaning of: Christ suffered for your (our) sins. Hypothetically, if I accept the fact that Jesus Christ, Son of God, suffered for our sins - it still doesn't make sense that he would have suffered for the Sins that weren't committed yet. At the very best, he could have suffered for the past sins, and the present sins. But he could not have suffered for the future sins.
Because if you accepted that Jesus suffered for the Sins committed today, it then entails a completely deterministic universe where free will does not exist, where everything was already scripted and followed 100% since the dawn of man. Therefor rendering the concept of Sins completely erroneous(ed*: or obsolete); because if free will does not exist; how can someone be a sinner? For the sin to exist, there must be a good path and an evil path; free will.
How could have Jesus known that Bob Planche and Helena Quartz would commit adultery yesterday? So did he suffer for their sins? That doesn't hold up unless he knew that those 2 would sin yesterday.
Someone could also defend the position, that Jesus suffered for possible hypothetical future sins. But that doesn't hold up, not in my mind anyway.
If Jesus suffered for someone or anyone's sin: it was the sins of the past and the sins committed during his time on earth.
When his suffering ended, he stopped suffering for any past and present (at the time) sins.
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DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Actually, hell is described in Revelation quite well. And I do not think any of the Bible is assumption.
Are the wages of sin being put to death through excruciating torture, then carefully kept alive in order to be tortured again, over and over and over forever part of that deal? Doesn't this seem a tad bit extreme to you? Like someone has some crazy sociopathic anger management issues?
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But these are just descriptive words. From past experience, folks assume a lot based on description whereas the reality is often quite different.
What which scripture infers? Why do you chose the Bible over the Quran or Tao te Ching?
if the Bible were consistent and well supported wouldn't it be more generally accepted?
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Popularity isn't the measure I use. I like truth. Jesus is truth.
This is how I feel about it:
Joshua 24:15
"But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."
I've read the Bible. You are preaching but whatever.
Like water boarding? I don't think I would like water boarding much.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
He's just telling you the truth, something that all Christians are supposed to be doing.
Your opinion is subjective.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
True, but we believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God and we tell you these things because we care about you.
That doesn't sound like an invitation of love to me. Does it to you? If a guy held a gun to a woman's head and said, "I will not kill you if you marry me," would you consider that an ideal relationship? If this is God, then we are all in hell, the "saved" included.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
No idea. Frankly, I don't see a reason to care enough to ask myself such a question.
I'm game for hearing how you could rationalize this away.Well, now, that sounds like an invitation for some preaching to me. You game?
I came back to Christianity nearly two years ago but I'm thinking much of faith is based on our emotions. Anyways. I'm at a cross roads now. But well aware of what the Bible states.