All non Christians ought to be crucified....

[Ingledsva]

First, I want to say - I don't know much about yours views on Christianity - except from what I can understand about reading what you are saying here.I would however like to say something about what you are saying.

You are quoting Luke 19, which comes right after Luke 18 and right before Luke 20.
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I am not going to dive into the analysis of this text (Luke 19, that came after Luke 18 and before Luke 20), nor of the Parabole of the Ten Minas at this time.

But I've read it, and it is clear to me that Jesus isn't saying what you say he is saying; you used his words out of context as a mean to prove something you believe in. One of your beliefs.

I don't consider myself a Christian; but I also dont believe Jesus would advocate murder; this is simply not how I see or know Jesus; whether he existed or not and whether he was the son of God or not doesn't matter here. And after reading Luke 19, I can assure you that this is not what he says in this verse (Luke 19:27)

But I can say that if you want to criticize an Idea coherently, you need to understand that idea first; therefor analyze that same idea beforehand.

Did you miss that this is a parable about himself???

He specifically tells us it is given because he is approaching Jerusalem, (where he will die) - and because they thought the kingdom would be immediately after.

So a parable about himself - going - and coming back.

Luk 19:11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

Luk 19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

Luk 19:13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

Luk 19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

Luk 19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
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Luk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

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[Ingledsva]

God cannot murder. God created men and it is His right to decide who lives and who dies. The One who gives life can also take it away.

One last verse before I put you on ignore for speaking abhorrent things about my God and Savior in earnest.

Job 1:21
"Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I will depart. The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised."

So YHVH personally killing an infant, - because of a crime the parent supposedly committed, wouldn't be murder? And twisted to boot? Baloney!

Read the King David story. King David sins, - and YHVH kills his innocent baby, - and then the even more twisted - makes the murderer King David a special King, and forever throne.

Kill an innocent baby, - then promote the actual murderer to high status! Twisted!

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[Ingledsva]

Well, it's true because it is God's word and God is Holy, almighty and everlasting. That's why it's true. I was just giving an example of archaeology confirming some of the history in Exodus.

There are also obviously things that are not true. Talking snakes and Donkeys, three days in a fish and still alive, virgin birth, etc.

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[Valjean]

DavidFirth said: ↑
Well, it's true because it is God's word and God is Holy, almighty and everlasting. That's why it's true. I was just giving an example of archaeology confirming some of the history in Exodus.

Why do you think it's God's word?
If you had been born in Riyadh, I'll bet you'd be extolling Islam.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

There are also obviously things that are not true. Talking snakes and Donkeys, three days in a fish and still alive, virgin birth, etc.

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[RESOLUTION]

Is this the logical implication of rejecting a Christ who suffered the punishment due to us?

Was crucifixion or death the punishment?

Man has been suffering since the fall when Adam handed us all over to Satan.
However as one man (Adam) brought death so a second Adam Jesus Christ, brought life.

Jesus was a second Adam because he was not born of the flesh but the power, will, and word of God as was Adam.
No sin inherited from sinful flesh because a virgin birth. He then died in our place. Hence the death of an innocent man brought life to all who accepted the truth about Jesus Christ.

The wages of sin is death but that does not mean that death is crucifixion. It is death and separation from
God.

So in the real world there is nothing to support any notion non - Christians should be crucified.
Christ died according to the full sentence of the time and place he came in.

He received 39 lashes... In Isaiah 53:3 it says by his stripes we are healed.
Do you know that all medical diseases and sicknesses can be placed under 39 separate categories.

 

[LukeS]

Was crucifixion or death the punishment?

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I am presuming crucifixion because we all die in any case.

I would like to hear any thoughts on the secular interpretations too.

I like to compare the "revelation" of end times with Rawls "veil of ignorance" being lifted.

If were good, and promote that which promotes life, then our "end times" will be good because we have chosen a just life, just like our Rawlsian "averaged out political odds" will improve if we try to be fair and unbiased when decision making.

So slain enemies of Christ are victims of their own operations, just as someone said: as you subjugate so shall you be subjugated. This applies as a parable for politics as well as eschatology.

It seems fair, many Christians totally oppose capital punishment and try to promote social justice, as part of their preparations for the grand unveiling (revelation)...

Maybe Chrisitnity is spiritual, in that its the spirit of caring for the lowest and most poorly fated. In which case we are all Christians of sorts?