And Jesus says it in his parable.
"... Luk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
Be ruled by me, - or go to Hell. Torture? Die?
No we don't need a righteous person to die in our stead.
Murder and suicide are against the law in the Bible. Take your pick with Jesus.
First, I want to say - I don't know much about yours views on Christianity - except from what I can understand about reading what you are saying here.I would however like to say something about what you are saying.
You are quoting Luke 19, which comes right after Luke 18 and right before Luke 20.
More precisely, you are quoting Luke 19:27 that comes right after Luke 19:26 and right before Luke 19:28.
More importantly, you are referring to a "section" of the text that is titled: The Parable of the Ten Minas.
Which you must have known, since you said to begin with:
And Jesus says it in his parable.
At first honestly, I didn't know about this passage or "quote" and this causes me a bit of confusion as of what to do about it. As I cannot say that I agree with your views in general; but I must admit that passages or "quotes" like that have been, for a long time, a mystery to me.
Thanks to you, I now understand a bit more than I did half an hour ago.
Since I was confused as of what to say, and it was a direct quote from the Bible, I went on and found Luke 19:27 on the Internet. The quote didn't make more sense to me because even though I don't know all the bible, and I couldn't possibly quote 1 single verse with the use of my memory; I still don't see Jesus Christ as someone who would advocate murder.
So i went to Luke 19:26, then Luke 19:25 - I then decided to change wepbage and to go read the full Luke 19; which I repeat, comes right after Luke 18 and right before Luke 20.
I then realised, that this wasn't Jesus speaking about his intentions, or his will. It was him speaking about the intentions and will of someone else; an unnamed King.
What I found is that, this was indeed a Parable;
*( par·a·ble
ˈperəb(ə)l/
noun
noun:
parable; plural noun:
parables
a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels.
synonyms: allegory, moral story/tale, fable, exemplum
"the parable of the prodigal son" )*
in other word, it's a story told.
Jesus is not saying:
"... Luk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
Jesus is telling a story about a man, a king, who is saying those words. Is telling a Parable.
I could have stopped at the fact that it was a quote, a real one from one of the New Testament/Bible; but I truly wanted to understand the meaning of this quote and what in entailed.
As in almost any and every text out there (if not all texts), if you take something that is said out of context and use it "as is"; it might look quite crazy, extreme or non-sensical.
Let me quote Luke 19 here.
Don't feel obligated to read it. Although I think it might come in handy.
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Luke 19
New International Version (NIV)
Zacchaeus the Tax Collector
19 Jesus entered Jericho and was passing through. 2 A man was there by the name of Zacchaeus; he was a chief tax collector and was wealthy. 3 He wanted to see who Jesus was, but because he was short he could not see over the crowd. 4 So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him, since Jesus was coming that way.
5 When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up and said to him, “Zacchaeus, come down immediately. I must stay at your house today.” 6 So he came down at once and welcomed him gladly.
7 All the people saw this and began to mutter, “He has gone to be the guest of a sinner.”
8 But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.”
9 Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”
The Parable of the Ten Minas
11 While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12 He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.a]">[a] ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’
14 “But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’
15 “He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.
16 “The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’
17 “‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’
18 “The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’
19 “His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’
20 “Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21 I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’
22 “His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’
24 “Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’
25 “‘Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’
26 “He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”
Jesus Comes to Jerusalem as King
28 After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem. 29 As he approached Bethphage and Bethany at the hill called the Mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples, saying to them, 30 “Go to the village ahead of you, and as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. 31 If anyone asks you, ‘Why are you untying it?’ say, ‘The Lord needs it.’”
32 Those who were sent ahead went and found it just as he had told them. 33 As they were untying the colt, its owners asked them, “Why are you untying the colt?”
34 They replied, “The Lord needs it.”
35 They brought it to Jesus, threw their cloaks on the colt and put Jesus on it. 36 As he went along, people spread their cloaks on the road.
37 When he came near the place where the road goes down the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise God in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen:
38 “Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord!”b]">[b]
“Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!”
39 Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, “Teacher, rebuke your disciples!”
40 “I tell you,” he replied, “if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out.”
41 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”
Jesus at the Temple
45 When Jesus entered the temple courts, he began to drive out those who were selling. 46 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be a house of prayer’c]">[c]; but you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’d]">[d]”
47 Every day he was teaching at the temple. But the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the leaders among the people were trying to kill him. 48 Yet they could not find any way to do it, because all the people hung on his words.
Footnotes:
- Luke 19:13 A mina was about three months’ wages.
- Luke 19:38 Psalm 118:26
- Luke 19:46 Isaiah 56:7
- Luke 19:46 Jer. 7:11
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I am not going to dive into the analysis of this text (
Luke 19, that came after Luke 18 and before Luke 20), nor of the
Parabole of the Ten Minas at this time.
But I've read it, and it is clear to me that Jesus isn't saying what you say he is saying; you used his words out of context as a mean to prove something you believe in. One of your beliefs.
I don't consider myself a Christian; but I also dont believe Jesus would advocate murder; this is simply not how I see or know Jesus; whether he existed or not and whether he was the son of God or not doesn't matter here. And after reading Luke 19, I can assure you that this is not what he says in this verse (Luke 19:27)
But I can say that if you want to criticize an Idea coherently, you need to understand that idea first; therefor analyze that same idea beforehand.