All non Christians ought to be crucified....

[DavidFirth]

Uh, no. Atheists do not do it all the time. Firstly, they don't believe in a hell to condemn people to. Secondly, their beliefs (and subsequent claims) that god doesn't exist is a response to your camp's lack of evidence, and a claim that he exists despite this.

I was referring to this statement: "Simply claiming your beliefs as though they're fact isn't an argument or excuse either."

Atheists on this site do this all the time. You deny that?

 

[DavidFirth]

Some do. But let's face it, they're not telling you that refusal to accept their 'facts' will lead to an eternity of pain inflicted by a being they're happy to worship regardless.
Not exactly apples and apples.

No, they don't tell me that. But they do tell me that my death is my end all and that I am no better than the dust I was made of. To me that is ludicrous.

 

[Deidre]

You may have read the Bible, however you seem to have missed the inferences that you may be facing hell, for not accepting Jesus. You don't have to like the religion, but simply claiming that the beliefs are wrong, is not an argument, or excuse, really.
Again, not preaching, this is discussion

You do know that Christianity isn't the only religion, right? That there are other people on this forum who don't follow Christianity, and probably think that non-believers of their faiths may face hell.

You don't have to like their religion, but simply claiming that their beliefs are wrong, is not an argument, or excuse really. Not preaching to you, either. lol

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I was referring to this statement: "Simply claiming your beliefs as though they're fact isn't an argument or excuse either."

Atheists on this site do this all the time. You deny that?

Yeah, actually I do deny that. Because when atheists claim something as fact, usually there's evidence. When they claim that they don't believe in gods, again, that stems from theist claims that gods do exist, and is a rebuttal to a lack of evidence.

Trying to pin whatever on atheists also isn't distracting from the disgusting theme that you and others are displaying here of a desire and allowance of murdering 5.8 billion people. Try to crucify us all? Your lot is no better than ISIS.

 

[DavidFirth]

Yeah, actually I do deny that. Because when atheists claim something as fact, usually there's evidence. When they claim that they don't believe in gods, again, that stems from theist claims that gods do exist, and is a rebuttal to a lack of evidence.

Trying to pin whatever on atheists also isn't distracting from the disgusting theme that you and others are displaying here of a desire and allowance of murdering 5.8 billion people. Try to crucify us all? Your lot is no better than ISIS.

I have evidence for creation also. And I think it is fact. But that doesn't mean I should go around acting as though people who interpret the evidence differently are stupid. Many atheists do exactly that.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

True, but we believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God and we tell you these things because we care about you.

And the rest of us point out that preaching is a violation of forum rules because we care about you.

 

[DavidFirth]

And the rest of us point out that preaching is a violation of forum rules because we care about you.

Are you accusing me of preaching?

And what about when an individual asks me to preach to them? Still against the rules?

 

[Deidre]

I understand why you preach, David. It's part of the Gospel, to 'go out and make Disciples of all nations.' But, there is also a part in the Bible, whereby Jesus told his followers to shake the dust from their feet, if what they say, isn't welcomed. So, know when to stop preaching lol That's also Biblical.

I don't really care if you preach at me, but understand, I know what the Bible teaches, and you're not telling me anything new. My struggle that i'm in right now, doesn't have anything to do with not understanding the Bible. In fact, I understand it more than you know.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I have evidence for creation also.

The bible is no more evidence of creation than the Völuspa.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Are you accusing me of preaching?

No. I'm pointing out that any preaching you might engage in (whatever your justifications for doing so) would be a breach of the rule against preaching. Because I care about you.

And what about when an individual asks me to preach to them?

As that hasn't happened this is a red herring.

Still against the rules?

Yes. Any form of preaching on the public forums is against the rules. If you want to have a private, consensual conversation about your beliefs with someone then restrict it to private messages or take it off the forum.

 

[DavidFirth]

As that hasn't happened this is a red herring.

I didn't say anyone had done that, I asked, what if someone does ask me to preach to them, is that a violation of the rules also?

 

[DavidFirth]

The bible is no more evidence of creation than the Völuspa.

You're wrong, but try all of these:

evidence for creation - Google Search

 

[DavidFirth]

I understand why you preach, David. It's part of the Gospel, to 'go out and make Disciples of all nations.' But, there is also a part in the Bible, whereby Jesus told his followers to shake the dust from their feet, if what they say, isn't welcomed. So, know when to stop preaching lol That's also Biblical.

I don't really care if you preach at me, but understand, I know what the Bible teaches, and you're not telling me anything new. My struggle that i'm in right now, doesn't have anything to do with not understanding the Bible. In fact, I understand it more than you know.

I have one question, if you will allow it. If not just tell me to shut up about it and I will.

Has the Holy Spirit ever communicated anything to you in any way?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

You're wrong,

Then prove it. YOU prove it, not Google.

 

[DavidFirth]

Then prove it. YOU prove it, not Google.

The Bible is a historical book. Many of the places the children of Israel destroyed during the Exodus have been discovered by archaeologists in the places indicated within the book of Exodus.

That is evidence. You may not believe it to be true but it is evidence, nonetheless.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

The Bible is a historical book.

No, it's not. No more so than the Eddas and Sagas. They mention real cities and people too, so what makes the bible any more true? What makes your creation any more true? What makes your justifications for the disgusting desire to MURDER PEOPLE valid?

 

[Deidre]

I have one question, if you will allow it. If not just tell me to shut up about it and I will.

Has the Holy Spirit ever communicated anything to you in any way?

I thought so. That's why I came back to Christianity nearly two years ago but now, I'm thinking it might have been my imagination? Idk.

 

[DavidFirth]

I thought so. That's why I came back to Christianity nearly two years ago but now, I'm thinking it might have been my imagination? Idk.

If the Holy Spirit has communicated with you (he never uses words with me) then you will know it sooner or later. I can't explain it, you'll just know.

 

[Deidre]

If the Holy Spirit has communicated with you (he never uses words with me) then you will know it sooner or later. I can't explain it, you'll just know.

That's why I went back to faith. It seemed convincing but I feel faith is largely guided by our emotions. My mind just doesn't trust the Bible or any religion as being anything other than man made inventions. So that's where I'm at with it all right now.

 

[DavidFirth]

No, it's not. No more so than the Eddas and Sagas. They mention real cities and people too, so what makes the bible any more true? What makes your creation any more true? What makes your justifications for the disgusting desire to MURDER PEOPLE valid?

Yes, it is a historical book, you're just wrong about that. As I said, archaeology verifies it and does not contradict it.

I didn't say it makes the Bible true. You asked for evidence and I gave you evidence. That's all.

It isn't my creation, it's God's creation, just to straighten that out.

I have no idea what you're talking about with the MURDER sentence.