ALL pedophiles are gay..???

[BadBeast]

Another sad fact is, many pedophiles where abuse as children themselves.

And this is why it cannot be tolerated. It infects whole generations. It always did. When they are caught, they should be quietly taken to one side, and then,

"Sorry, I accept that you too have in all probability been the victim of abuse, but you cannot be allowed to continue. You can't be "cured", you can't, in any compassionate Society, just be caged for the rest of your life, and you can't, by any moral standards, be made to go through the sad, sick circus that the already sick enough Judicial Process would make of you. And most of all, you cannot be allowed to prey on any more of our children". (And they are ALL our children)
Then, without malice, rancour, or any sense of vengeance, (because that is unhealthy for the person whose job this should be) they must be discretely, compassionately, (because they too, are victims of this sickness) quietly, and without any fuss, put to a dignified, but certain death.

I'm not a Death Penalty supporter in any way, shape or form. That's why this is not to be paraded around, like the political football it would become if it were done by the Judiciary. It's not a "penalty", or a "punishment", Punishment only has any moral worth, if it's object, is to effectively teach the recipient, how, and why, they need to adjust their unacceptable behavior. This course is not an option, as there has been no successful re-orientation therapy that has been found that is effective in Paedophiles. They will consistently re-offend. Recidivism is an inherent part of the condition. So in all honesty, there is no other option to be explored. And in this instance, and precisely sticking to this moral framework, it is not a crime to take a life.

 

[Agnostic75]

Bill Donohue.

I don't remember where, I don't remember when, but I'm reasonably certain that this view came from the President of the Catholic League. I think in some news show where he's debating some guy about the Priest child abuse scandal.

Consider the following:

Bill Donohue, Catholic League: Abuse Scandal Rooted in Homosexuality, not Pedophilia - U.s. - Catholic Online

While taking pains to point out that "most gay priests are not molesters," and that "being a homosexual" does not "make one a molester," Donohue was adamant in stating that the Vatican was right to institute more rigorous procedures to screen out actively homosexual men from becoming priests. Such screening, he implied, would have prevented the vast majority of priestly abuse from occurring in the first place. "I maintain it has been a homosexual crisis all along," he insisted. "The evidence is all on my side."

Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, spoke out in an article on the Washington Post's website on Thursday, defending his assertion that the widespread perception of a "pedophilia crisis in the Catholic Church" is not supported by data and research. The more significant problem, Donohue argued, is the incidence of homosexuality among priests.

Citing a number of medical journals in the field of human sexuality research, Donohue explained in his submission to the Washington Post's "On Faith" section that "homosexuals are disproportionately represented among child molesters." Statistically, he said, the evidence for a "link between homosexuality and the sexual abuse of minors" in the general population is "overwhelming."

This link is borne out in the majority of sex offenses committed by priests, according to Donohue. "As I have said many times, most gay priests are not molesters, but most of the molesters have been gay."

I do not doubt that most of the priests who are molestors are gay, but I am pretty sure that the percentage of gay priests is much higher than the percentage of all men who are gay. That means that Donohue is either guilty of being deliberately misleading, or is just unaware of a mistake that he should easily have been aware of. The Roman Catholic church would quite naturally be an appealing place for a gay man who wanted to be around males most of the time, including a lot of young males.

Regarding "most priests are not molestors," how many is most? I do not doubt that at least 51% percent of priests are not molestors, probably at least 70%, but the same is most likely true of at least 70% of homosexuals.

Conservative Christian opponents of homosexuality are notorious for grossly misinterpreting research in their zeal for trying to include God in their personal dislike of homosexuality. While it is well-known that homosexuals generally have higher levels of distress than heterosexuals, the extent to which there are differences is frequently misinterpreted.

Consider the following hypothetical example that I made up:

"A research study showed that among participants, 25% of homosexuals had elevated levels of distress regarding drug abuse, and 10% of heterosexuals."

Ok, 25% of homosexuals had elevated levels of distress regarding drug abuse, BUT, 25% of homosexuals DID NOT have elevated levels of distress BECAUSE they are homosexuals. That is obvious because if they had been heterosexuals, 10% of them would still have had elevated levels of distress. It is probable that about 15% of homosexuals had elevated levels of distress BECAUSE they are homosexuals, which leaves 75% of homosexuals who did not have elevated levels of distress, and about 15% who had elevated levels of distress because they are homosexuals. If my hypothetical statistics are correct, following William Donohue's line of reasoning, drug abuse is a homosexual crisis.

Conservative Christian opponents of homosexuality have not provided options for homosexuality that generally work well. Abstinence, and reparative therapy do not generally "work well," and when they do "work well," it is usually among religious people. Even some conservative Christian opponents of homosexuality have admitted this, including Dr. Stanton Jones, Ph.D, psychology, and Dr. Paul Yarhouse, Ph.D., psychology. It is deplorable and judgmental to criticize people for acting in certain ways unless you can provide them with reasonable alternatives.

People who eat harmful foods, smoke cigarettes, and are obese (I am not including obese people who have hormonal imbalances and have difficulty losing weight), generally have much higher elevated levels of distress. Does William Donohue attack those people like he does homosexuals? I doubt it.

 

[Poisonshady313]

Consider the following:

Bill Donohue, Catholic League: Abuse Scandal Rooted in Homosexuality, not Pedophilia - U.s. - Catholic Online



I do not doubt that most of the priests who are molestors are gay, but I am pretty sure that the percentage of gay priests is much higher than the percentage of all men who are gay. That means that Donohue is either guilty of being deliberately misleading, or is just unaware of a mistake that he should easily have been aware of. The Roman Catholic church would quite naturally be an appealing place for a gay man who wanted to be around males most of the time, including a lot of young males.

Regarding "most priests are not molestors," how many is most? I do not doubt that at least 51% percent of priests are not molestors, probably at least 70%, but the same is most likely true of at least 70% of homosexuals.

Conservative Christian opponents of homosexuality are notorious for grossly misinterpreting research in their zeal for trying to include God in their personal dislike of homosexuality. While it is well-known that homosexuals generally have higher levels of distress than heterosexuals, the extent to which there are differences is frequently misinterpreted.

Consider the following hypothetical example that I made up:

"A research study showed that among participants, 25% of homosexuals had elevated levels of distress regarding drug abuse, and 10% of heterosexuals."

Ok, 25% of homosexuals had elevated levels of distress regarding drug abuse, BUT, 25% of homosexuals DID NOT have elevated levels of distress BECAUSE they are homosexuals. That is obvious because if they had been heterosexuals, 10% of them would still have had elevated levels of distress. It is probable that about 15% of homosexuals had elevated levels of distress BECAUSE they are homosexuals, which leaves 75% of homosexuals who did not have elevated levels of distress, and about 15% who had elevated levels of distress because they are homosexuals. If my hypothetical statistics are correct, following William Donohue's line of reasoning, drug abuse is a homosexual crisis.

Conservative Christian opponents of homosexuality have not provided options for homosexuality that generally work well. Abstinence, and reparative therapy do not generally "work well," and when they do "work well," it is usually among religious people. Even some conservative Christian opponents of homosexuality have admitted this, including Dr. Stanton Jones, Ph.D, psychology, and Dr. Paul Yarhouse, Ph.D., psychology. It is deplorable and judgmental to criticize people for acting in certain ways unless you can provide them with reasonable alternatives.

People who eat harmful foods, smoke cigarettes, and are obese (I am not including obese people who have hormonal imbalances and have difficulty losing weight), generally have much higher elevated levels of distress. Does William Donohue attack those people like he does homosexuals? I doubt it.

Isn't it easier and more meaningful to just proclaim that Donohue is a scumbag who should learn to keep his yap shut because he's an imbecile?

 

[BadBeast]

Originally Posted by Agnostic75
Consider the following:

I do not doubt that most of the priests who are molestors are gay, but I am pretty sure that the percentage of gay priests is much higher than the percentage of all men who are gay. That means that Donohue is either guilty of being deliberately misleading, or is just unaware of a mistake that he should easily have been aware of. The Roman Catholic church would quite naturally be an appealing place for a gay man who wanted to be around males most of the time, including a lot of young males.

Regarding "most priests are not molestors," how many is most? I do not doubt that at least 51% percent of priests are not molestors, probably at least 70%, but the same is most likely true of at least 70% of homosexuals.

Conservative Christian opponents of homosexuality are notorious for grossly misinterpreting research in their zeal for trying to include God in their personal dislike of homosexuality. While it is well-known that homosexuals generally have higher levels of distress than heterosexuals, the extent to which there are differences is frequently misinterpreted.

Consider the following hypothetical example that I made up:

"A research study showed that among participants, 25% of homosexuals had elevated levels of distress regarding drug abuse, and 10% of heterosexuals."

Ok, 25% of homosexuals had elevated levels of distress regarding drug abuse, BUT, 25% of homosexuals DID NOT have elevated levels of distress BECAUSE they are homosexuals. That is obvious because if they had been heterosexuals, 10% of them would still have had elevated levels of distress. It is probable that about 15% of homosexuals had elevated levels of distress BECAUSE they are homosexuals, which leaves 75% of homosexuals who did not have elevated levels of distress, and about 15% who had elevated levels of distress because they are homosexuals. If my hypothetical statistics are correct, following William Donohue's line of reasoning, drug abuse is a homosexual crisis.

Conservative Christian opponents of homosexuality have not provided options for homosexuality that generally work well. Abstinence, and reparative therapy do not generally "work well," and when they do "work well," it is usually among religious people. Even some conservative Christian opponents of homosexuality have admitted this, including Dr. Stanton Jones, Ph.D, psychology, and Dr. Paul Yarhouse, Ph.D., psychology. It is deplorable and judgmental to criticize people for acting in certain ways unless you can provide them with reasonable alternatives.

People who eat harmful foods, smoke cigarettes, and are obese (I am not including obese people who have hormonal imbalances and have difficulty losing weight), generally have much higher elevated levels of distress. Does William Donohue attack those people like he does homosexuals? I doubt it.

 

[Reverend Rick]

And this is why it cannot be tolerated. It infects whole generations. It always did. When they are caught, they should be quietly taken to one side, and then,

"Sorry, I accept that you too have in all probability been the victim of abuse, but you cannot be allowed to continue. You can't be "cured", you can't, in any compassionate Society, just be caged for the rest of your life, and you can't, by any moral standards, be made to go through the sad, sick circus that the already sick enough Judicial Process would make of you. And most of all, you cannot be allowed to prey on any more of our children". (And they are ALL our children)
Then, without malice, rancour, or any sense of vengeance, (because that is unhealthy for the person whose job this should be) they must be discretely, compassionately, (because they too, are victims of this sickness) quietly, and without any fuss, put to a dignified, but certain death.

I'm not a Death Penalty supporter in any way, shape or form. That's why this is not to be paraded around, like the political football it would become if it were done by the Judiciary. It's not a "penalty", or a "punishment", Punishment only has any moral worth, if it's object, is to effectively teach the recipient, how, and why, they need to adjust their unacceptable behavior. This course is not an option, as there has been no successful re-orientation therapy that has been found that is effective in Paedophiles. They will consistently re-offend. Recidivism is an inherent part of the condition. So in all honesty, there is no other option to be explored. And in this instance, and precisely sticking to this moral framework, it is not a crime to take a life.

I'm not so sure I agree with you or not, but this I know for sure.

If I where to release a lion from his cage and he ate your children, who is to blame the lion or myself for releasing the lion?

Judges who release pedophiles from prison who re offend should be taken out into the street and promptly shot. Parading around with their head on a stick would be in good form as well IMHO.

 

[BadBeast]

I'm not so sure I agree with you or not, but this I know for sure.

If I where to release a lion from his cage and he ate your children, who is to blame the lion or myself for releasing the lion?

Judges who release pedophiles from prison who re offend should be taken out into the street and promptly shot. Parading around with their head on a stick would be in good form as well IMHO.

Doing that is just committing another senseless crime, with no purpose. If that were to happen, then no Judge would ever take the risk of convicting a paedo in the first place. And parading around with someones head on a stick, is never, ever going to be "good form"

If it was done my way, then no paedos would be released from Prison anyway, because they wouldn't get into the judicial system in the first place.

 

[David69]

But this statement is equally as retarded as the OP. 6 Pages and 55 replies to one of the most retarded backwards OP's I've seen for a long time, and you go and absolutely negate every poster before you by posting an equally stupid sweeping
titwank of a post. Well done. Even the poster who tried to validate some spurious point by saying "Yeah but Michael Jackson was a gay paedophile" had more of a bloody point to make than this.

didnt say ah beleived it though and can u STOP the bad language!!!

 

[BadBeast]

didnt say ah beleived it though and can u STOP the bad language!!!

A total lack of any punctuation, (except for three exclamation marks at the end) two spelling mistakes, and the use of "u" instead of "you", (All in one sentence) and you have the neck to pull me on bad language?

 

[David69]

A total lack of any punctuation, (except for three exclamation marks at the end) two spelling mistakes, and the use of "u" instead of "you", (All in one sentence) and you have the neck to pull me on bad language?

does everyone here know your this clever? bet they're well impressed by now eh!
bad lingo; was that YOU swore! bad grammar is acceptible but swareing is not! :no:

 

[BadBeast]

does everyone here know your this clever? bet they're well impressed by now eh!
bad lingo; was that YOU swore! bad grammar is acceptible but swareing is not! :no:

What? Bloody? Ooh, I swared! Get a grip, you sound like a seven year old kid! (And you spell like one too.)

 

[Piranha]

The pedophile, in addition to his/her sexual preference has an additional preference for children. It's the additional preference that is a deviant preference.

No, pedophilia is not an additional preference! It's not that one is homosexual + pedophile or heterosexual + pedophile.
A pedophile is a pedophile.
Pedophiles who fancy little boys usually don't like adult men and they wont never like them. It's more probable that an heterosexual becomes attracted to a man!

Furthermore you said that pedophilai is not a sexual preference but an age preference. This is wrong!

Pedophiles are not attracted to an age. They are attracted to a state of developement in which persons have not maturated secondary sex carachters yet (breats and so on in women, deep voice, beard hairs and so on in men). Pratically, pedophile refuse both feminine body and masculine body: they like a body which is still neutral, which is not "woman" or "man".

Unlike you said, pedophilia is not an addition to the sexual orientation... but it's something that "suffocates" sexual orientation: pedophiles are neither homosexual or heterosexual. They can prefer little girls or little boys, but this is not a subset of a homosexual or heterosexual orientation; that's the sex preference of the child that is a subset of their prefernce towards children.

Like I said, pedophilia suffocates the sexual orientation. Many pedophiles are attracted only to children, especially pedophiles attracted to little boys. In theirs case, the sexual orientation is completely suffocated.
However there are also many pedophiles who are attracted to adults and children. In this case, the sexual orientation is not completely suffocated.
Usually, when pedophiles are attracted to adults too (and not only to children) they have an heterosexual orientation, but they usually prefer little boys.

Pratically the typical pedophile is attracted to women + little boys. A person who works with pedophiles said it to me.

So it's true that most pedophiles like little boys rather than little girls, but it's not true that they are gay. Gay like men, and pedophiles have repulsion to men.

Homosexuality can either be normal or deviant. Heterosexuality can either be normal or deviant. Pedophilia can only be deviant. One can be a heterosexual pedophile or a homosexual pedophile. But one does not determine the other.

If homosexuals are normal, then pedophiles are normal too. Simple and plan! There isn't any biological reason to say that one is normal and the other not. You can have all cultural beliefes that you want... but I don't think that you'll be ever able to scientifically demonstrate that homosexuality is normal and pedophilia it's not! If you can, well... I'll listen to you! :yes:

 

[Piranha]

Actually, scientific studies have proven time and again that most pedophiles are heterosexual. It's mostly about a power trip, more than something defined by sexual preference.

Bull****s. Pedophiles are attracted to children in the same exact way heterosexual are attracted to women and homosexual to men. There is no difference: pedophilia is the same type of attraction!
The power is ********!

 

[PolyHedral]

[citation needed]

 

[Piranha]

[citation needed]

Are you speaking with me or with the topic starter?

I don't need citations... go in googles and write "pedophile" or "pedophilia" and you'll have all answers you want!

 

[David69]

What? Bloody? Ooh, I swared! Get a grip, you sound like a seven year old kid! (And you spell like one too.)

lol, its swore isnt it.
anyways mr bad beast, that name is relivent to this thread isnt it? where i'm from a pedo is called a beast, so what are you?

 

[BadBeast]

lol, its swore isnt it.
anyways mr bad beast, that name is relivent to this thread isnt it? where i'm from a pedo is called a beast, so what are you?

The only place I've ever heard paedos called "Beasts" was in Prison. And it was a generic term for all Sex offenders, rather than specific to paedophiles.

But if in response to my half hearted dig at your grammar, you are trying to imply that I am actually a paedophile myself, then you'd better be prepared to justify that statement, because imma be gunning for you, big stylee.

 

[BadBeast]

Anyway, in response to the OP, What about paedos who prefer little girlies? Are they Gay?

 

[Sunstone]

So far as I've heard, pedophilia is it's own beast. It's an attraction to pre-pubic children and does not discriminate between boys and girls. So, I don't think it's strongly associated with homosexuality.

 

[BadBeast]

So far as I've heard, pedophilia is it's own beast. It's an attraction to pre-pubic children and does not discriminate between boys and girls. So, I don't think it's strongly associated with homosexuality.

Exactly. I'm half inclined to think the OP was Trolling. It's inflammatory, spurious, and an insult to the intelligence.

 

[Agnostic75]

The truth about homosexuality and pedophilia

[SIZE=-1]Studies show that there is no connection to homosexuality and child sexual abuse. Dr. Carole Jenny reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children’s hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in only 2 of the 269 cases in which an adult molester could be identified, less than 1percent of the cases. (Jenny et al., 1994).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Groth and Birnbaum (1978) found that none of the 175 adult males in their sample – all of whom were convicted in Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child – had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]In one review of the scientific literature, noted authority Dr. A. Nicholas Groth wrote:[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]“Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so...[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]The heterosexual partner of a relative is more likely to sexually abuse children than someone who is gay.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]A 1994 study found that “a child’s risk of being molested by his or her relative’s heterosexual partner is 100 times greater than by someone who might be identified as a homosexual. (Carole Jenny et al., Are Children at Risk for Sexual Abuse by Homosexuals?; 94 Pediatrics 41; July 1994; study of 269 sexually abused children when an adult offender was identified.)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]A sexual abuser who molests a child of the same sex is usually not considered homosexual.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Dr. Nathaniel McConaghy (1998) cautioned against confusing homosexuality with pedophilia. He noted, “The man who offends against prepubertal or immediately postpubertal boys is typically not sexually interested in older men or in women” (p. 259).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]“It is meaningless to speak of fixated molesters in these terms – as heterosexual or homosexuals - they are attracted to children, not to men or women. (Groth & Birnbaum, 1978).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]** Note: The term “fixated molesters” refers to adults exclusively attracted to children.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]The experts agree that there is no link to homosexuality and child abuse.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]The American Psychological Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the American Academy of Child Psychiatrists and the Child Welfare League of America all have policy statements stating there is no correlation between homosexuality and child abuse.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]When asked about this question, the American Psychiatric Association wrote to the Senate stating: “While we are all concerned by the issue of sexual abuse, there is no credible evidence that lesbians and gay men are more likely to commit such offenses than others. Gay men and lesbians do not pose any particular threat to youth and should not be singled out or discriminated against in any manner."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]"It is ludicrous to identify pedophiles as homosexuals." Stan Robson, Chief Deputy, Benton County Sheriffs Department. In over 14 years of Robson's work with pedophiles, 498 out of 500 offenders identified themselves as heterosexual. (a)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]"In my experience, the majority of people who molest children are heterosexual, if they're anything." Jim McIntyre, Senior Deputy District Attorney, Multnomah County (b)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]"The belief that homosexuals are particularly attracted to children is completely unsupported by our data. The child offenders who engaged in adult relationships as well were heterosexuals. There were no homosexual adult oriented offenders in our samples who turned to children." A. Nicholas Groth, Ph.D. (c)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]"The vast majority of offenders are heterosexual men. Male offenders who abuse young boys maintain adult heterosexual relationships. The habitual molester of boys is rarely attracted to adult males." Roland Summit, M.D. (d)[/SIZE]



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