Alone forever

[Riverwolf]

And I believe that is what the Bible indicates continual unrepentant sin does to a person...it hardens their heart and love grows cold.

Yet my experience indicates something else, if minor things like which God is being worshiped are to be considered sin.

Sure, you might have a point, if the only things that are sins in this case, are acts which deliberately cause harm to others, done repeatedly.

 

[9Westy9]

Can anyone imagine or would anyone want to be completely alone for eternity?

Not really. I'd need some sort of company every now and then

I believe the scriptures indicate that separation from God is the eternal destiny of anyone who refuses to admit or give up sin and according to the scriptures everyone is guilty of sin. Various descriptions are used to portray what the condition of separation will be like, such as; outer darkness, weeping and gnashing of teeth or burning fire. The Bible also says God is Love. He is the source of love and without His presence I believe love is nonexistent. So my understanding is that being separated from God and His love will also mean being separated from everyone else because love which now connects people together would no longer be active in the state of being separated from God.

and I believe that after we die nothing happens

 

[Riverwolf]

and I believe that after we die nothing happens

Wrong! Stuff happens for sure!

Death rituals, burying or cremation, decomposition in many cases...

You're just likely not aware of them.

 

[Thief]

Wrong! Stuff happens for sure!

Death rituals, burying or cremation, decomposition in many cases...

You're just likely not aware of them.

Was channel hopping on the radio.....caught an interview with a specialist of resuscitation.

Turns out the brain can linger 'online' for hours after the heart stops.

You could be well be aware of that declaration.....'He's gone!'.....when the hour arrives.

 

[Riverwolf]

Was channel hopping on the radio.....caught an interview with a specialist of resuscitation.

Turns out the brain can linger 'online' for hours after the heart stops.

You could be well be aware of that declaration.....'He's gone!'.....when the hour arrives.

Well, if the part of the brain that retains information from the ears is still working, maybe.

We'll know when we get there.

 

[Thief]

Well, if the part of the brain that retains information from the ears is still working, maybe.

We'll know when we get there.

The interview went as far as to report the near death experiences (nde) as something more.

Many people have been revived to speak of things seen and felt...without the body.

I think it stands to reason.
Death separates us from our bodies.

Bound to happen....someone returns to say something about it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'd rather be alone than spend eternity kneeling before a god who condones slavery, genocide, and who has killed countless more people than the one who is supposed to be the bad guy, who only killed seven people with god's permission and encouragement.

 

[Riverwolf]

The interview went as far as to report the near death experiences (nde) as something more.

Many people have been revived to speak of things seen and felt...without the body.

I think it stands to reason.
Death separates us from our bodies.

Bound to happen....someone returns to say something about it.

Dreams, perhaps?

 

[Thief]

Dreams, perhaps?

As a brain function?.....perhaps again.

But what of people who lay in comma?
Do they not sleep?

And what of the words of the Carpenter?
'....Lazarus sleeps.....'

Sooner or later the body fails altogether.
The real question should be.....Can you get out?

If not.....you will follow your body into the ground.....alone forever.

 

[McBell]

Wrong! Stuff happens for sure!

Death rituals, burying or cremation, decomposition in many cases...

You're just likely not aware of them.

And all of that is for the living, not the dead...

 

[Thief]

And all of that is for the living, not the dead...

Yeah...'let the dead bury the dead'.

Just saying.

 

[Riverwolf]

As a brain function?.....perhaps again.

But what of people who lay in comma?
Do they not sleep?

And what of the words of the Carpenter?
'....Lazarus sleeps.....'

Sooner or later the body fails altogether.
The real question should be.....Can you get out?

If not.....you will follow your body into the ground.....alone forever.

If "I" am entirely dependent on my brain functioning, then "I" will not be there to follow my body to the ground, or to ashes (I, personally, want to be cremated, not buried).

 

[Riverwolf]

And all of that is for the living, not the dead...

I know. Just saying that stuff does happen. ^_^

 

[McBell]

Yeah...'let the dead bury the dead'.

Just saying.

 

[Thief]

If "I" am entirely dependent on my brain functioning, then "I" will not be there to follow my body to the ground, or to ashes (I, personally, want to be cremated, not buried).

And hence 'I' don't believe the bond of spirit and body to be undeniable.
I believe we can break free.

In that hour only one desire awaits.....to stand up.
I suggest we go with it.

 

[Meshak]

Isn't punishment given in order to chastise so that repentence can take place? What possible reason could a loving and just God have for being unloving and unjust? This whole scenario makes God out to be a cruel fiend!

Well said, brother

 

[Ingledsva]

I'd rather be alone than spend eternity kneeling before a god who condones slavery, genocide, and who has killed countless more people than the one who is supposed to be the bad guy, who only killed seven people with god's permission and encouragement.

Not just permission; YHVH actually pointed out Job and his family, and asked if Satan had "considered" Job. Which is to say "tested" as that was Satan's job.

 

[Thief]

Not just permission; YHVH actually pointed out Job and his family, and asked if Satan had "considered" Job. Which is to say "tested" as that was Satan's job.

Nay...the preamble of Job doesn't read that way.

The devil appeared among the sons of God....and God objected.
Job is then pointed out as a servant.
And in so doing slights the presence of the devil....as if to say...
'the presence of my servant is more desierable.'

It was not the place of the devil to test anyone.
It was allowed.
God had nothing to prove.
Neither did Job.

It was the devil trying to prove himself.

 

[InChrist]

Nay...the preamble of Job doesn't read that way.

The devil appeared among the sons of God....and God objected.
Job is then pointed out as a servant.
And in so doing slights the presence of the devil....as if to say...
'the presence of my servant is more desierable.'

It was not the place of the devil to test anyone.
It was allowed.
God had nothing to prove.
Neither did Job.

It was the devil trying to prove himself.

And the devil failed.

 

[Ingledsva]

Not just permission; YHVH actually pointed out Job and his family, and asked if Satan had "considered" Job. Which is to say "tested" as that was Satan's job.

Nay...the preamble of Job doesn't read that way.

The devil appeared among the sons of God....and God objected.
Job is then pointed out as a servant.
And in so doing slights the presence of the devil....as if to say...
'the presence of my servant is more desierable.'

It was not the place of the devil to test anyone.
It was allowed.
God had nothing to prove.
Neither did Job.

It was the devil trying to prove himself.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Job 1:9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

Job 1:10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.

Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

Even the OT writers knew that YHVH was responsible.

Job 42:11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.

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