ElishaElijah
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Says right there in the Scripture I shared
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Am I saved if I have a different biblical interpretation of the oneness of God?
- Thread starter Andrew Reil
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Fallen Prophet
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That was pathetic. Chapter and verse.
Fallen Prophet
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No it did not. Not at all.
ElishaElijah
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“Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
II Timothy 2:15 NKJV
Fallen Prophet
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No mention of "White Throne Judgment".
No mention that this is any different than the judgment bar of Christ.
No mention that there are two different Judgments.
If anything - all of the Lord's mention of the Judgment makes it clear that there will be one - where He will separate the sheep from the goats.
That's the Judgment.
ElishaElijah
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Think what you want.
Fallen Prophet
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That's very different from your initial response to my beliefs - which was - "False".
Then you went on to say, "God is the Author and no argument or comment needed because the Scriptures are clear."
Yet now you are allowing me to think what I want? Why the change of behavior?
It is because you know your beliefs are not supported by the scriptures.
ElishaElijah
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Your views are false
Psalm23
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In John 8:24 Jesus said “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
I think that many Christians interpret this as meaning to you have to believe Jesus is God in order to be saved.
Fallen Prophet
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According to you - not the Bible.
Everything I have shared can be found in the Bible.
Fortunately we agree that having faith in Christ is essential to receiving eternal life - so as long as both you and I focus on that we will prosper.
Andrew Reil
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Ok, I do. I believe the Jesus of the New Testament, and worship Him, and confess that He is my Saviour. I also follow Him.
Some Christians have argued with me that despite my confession I am not saved because I don't accept their interpretation of the scriptures, specifically the Trinity. I interpret John 17:21 that Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ are one in purpose nor person. Fellow Christian see that as blasphemous and evidence that the "Jesus Christ" I believe in may have the same name as the true God but is not the same. They say I therefore am a pagan essentially. The same as if I worshipped Zeus but called him Jesus Christ.
What I don't understand is that there are other doctrinal differences between Christian sects, in that they interpret other scriptures differently, but none of them say that those other sects are not saved or that they are not Christians because the don't agree with them.
I am not offended, and I don't want to argue. I want to understand why my different interpretation makes me a pagan while other Christians only have friendly non-salvation disagreements.
I suspect the emotional answer is "we don't like the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" which I am a practicing member of. But what I want to learn is the theological rational that they apply to their conclusion.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I'm just curious. How does this make you feel? I mean, I don't know if you have kids or anything, but suppose one of them died in infancy, too young in age to have accepted Christ. Do you honestly feel a loving and just God would condemn that child to an eternity in hell? And what about the billions and billions of people who have lived their lives without ever even having heard the name of Jesus Christ, much less having been introduced to His gospel? Did God just put them here on earth for no other reason than to be His eternal firewood? Would He have told us that we must accept His Son as our Savior in order to be saved and then made it literally impossible for so many to do so? Sometimes you've got to examine your beliefs in light of what common sense tells you. Unless, that is, you're really okay with God being a monster.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
What do you think it means, Psalm23?
Psalm23
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I think it is possible that it could mean you need to believe Jesus is God to be saved. At the same time, it may mean you need to believe Jesus is the Messiah to come, or the Son of God. At the same time, I believed in Jesus as Savior as a child. I had a simple faith and my view of Jesus was God and Jesus. I don’t think God would require for a child to understand the divinity of Jesus to be saved.
37818
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There is nothing in Revelation 20 to separate the judgement seat from the white throne judgement, Revelation 20:11-15. Only your interpretation of it. 2 Corinthians 5:10-11, ". . . For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; . . ." Revelation 20:15, Revelation 21:7-8, Revelation 21:27.
Fallen Prophet
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They sound exactly the same to me.
ElishaElijah
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Fallen Prophet
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You can keep saying this all you want. It doesn't make you right.
Everything I have said is backed by the Bible - while what you say cannot be.
These are facts.
ElishaElijah
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We will see, where is the judgement seat of Christ located?
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Fallen Prophet
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Wherever Christ - or those He selects to judge - are located.