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Am I saved?

Would you consider me a Christian?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 29.2%

  • No

    Votes: 8 33.3%

  • I have no idea

    Votes: 9 37.5%
  • Total voters
    24
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Trailblazer said:
God sets the standards for moral behavior through by sending messengers who reveal teachings and laws. Social and cultural norms are based upon religious teachings.
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Our standards are set between ourselves. It's a graduation from history through religious politics and cultural norms. It's not a god thing. People believe god does or that; but, at the end, its all about us.

Trailblazer said:
To me it means the willingness to listen to other perspectives and discuss them, which is what I do, day in, day out. I then share what I believe because that is all I know. I do see other peoples' perspectives but I am not obligated to agree with them when they go against my beliefs. To say I agree would be dishonest, but I can disagree respectfully. We all can.
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Trailblazer said:
If God created humans then free will comes from God.
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God didn't create humans; so, free will is based on the norms and laws of society. I have free will to kill someone; but, the law prevents. I could still do it, but, like god and sin, there are still consequences. The issue with god, though, is a religious belief. It's not a law nor an absolute for all people. So, if I sin against god, only the person who believes in that god sees it as a sin. While if I break a societal law it doesn't matter what state I am in (and what country for that matter), it still holds legal consequences.

As with Bahai, I haven't really go to talk to you about it. In reluctant to go into bahai beliefs. I had de ja vu experiences; and, unless the exchange of beliefs are mutual, this is basically my opinion. I don't like the phrase, but whatever floats our boats.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Unveiled Artist said:
Our standards are set between ourselves. It's a graduation from history through religious politics and cultural norms. It's not a god thing. People believe god does or that; but, at the end, its all about us.

God didn't create humans; so, free will is based on the norms and laws of society. I have free will to kill someone; but, the law prevents. I could still do it, but, like god and sin, there are still consequences. The issue with god, though, is a religious belief. It's not a law nor an absolute for all people. So, if I sin against god, only the person who believes in that god sees it as a sin. While if I break a societal law it doesn't matter what state I am in (and what country for that matter), it still holds legal consequences.
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Thanks for sharing your views on these things. I understand your position. We all view things from our own lenses. I look through a God lens so I see things differently, but we can learn from each other.

I believe that free will is built into man in the sense that it is how God intended us to function. I once read that since we were made in the image of God and God is free to act, God wanted us to also have that freedom. That is of course just conjecture. I agree that how we express our free will is partly determined by the norms and laws of society, at least for most people.
 
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