Am I the only one who finds Slavery to be "beautiful"?

[Sha'irullah]

For some reason I am fascinated by the English painting of the Sultan's harems during the Ottoman rule.
The images are so beautiful and amazing I just can't help but be in awe. The other thing is not the art but the act of enslavement by the Ottoman's which was of course conquest. I understand the atrocities of slavery but at the same time I am just baffled by what slave owners would have in such ancient times.

Princesses of various lands were taken to the Sultan's palace where they all served as concubines to bare the Sultan a child. One of my favorite examples of this is Suleiman and his love of his slave girl Hurem Sultan who later became his wife.

Perhaps my love of something immoral is just stupid, I do not know. The old Ottoman idea of royal slavery just seems so romantic in a very cruel way.

 

[Sees]

It doesn't conjure up beauty or romance for me at all. Maybe even the opposite?

 

[Sha'irullah]

It doesn't conjure up beauty or romance for me at all. Maybe even the opposite?

I am just focusing on a particular era and tales of it. You may have to brush up on the stories or something.

I understand how quacky this is though

 

[columbus]

I not only find slavery extremely ugly, I've also found your avatars a little distasteful.

Little too kiddy pornish.
Nothing overtly personal, just an observation.
Tom

 

[Sha'irullah]

I not only find slavery extremely ugly, I've also found your avatars a little distasteful.

Little too kiddy pornish.
Nothing overtly personal, just an observation.
Tom

It is from an anime called K-on. It is about girls forming a band and hanging out etc. Seriously the fact you called it pedophilia is insulting

 

[Viker]

I not only find slavery extremely ugly, I've also found your avatars a little distasteful.

Little too kiddy pornish.
Nothing overtly personal, just an observation.
Tom

How are they "kiddy pornish", they're just anime images?
As to the OP....that's just messed up.

 

[Sha'irullah]

How are they "kiddy pornish", they're just anime images?
As to the OP....that's just messed up.

I now very well it is messed up, I am not denying it. I am also not in support of slavery but great Zeus the fantasy of it is spectacular

 

[oldbadger]

For some reason I am fascinated by the English painting of the Sultan's harems during the Ottoman rule.
The images are so beautiful and amazing I just can't help but be in awe. The other thing is not the art but the act of enslavement by the Ottoman's which was of course conquest. I understand the atrocities of slavery but at the same time I am just baffled by what slave owners would have in such ancient times.

Questions:- Does your fascination with sexual or harem slavery possibly indicate a level of insecurity? If you were in a harem and the Sultan liked you.... then you would be safe and secure? You mention that a concubine became a wife..... which possibly indicates the chance of a yet stronger and more security still?

I think a week of slavery, even in a comfortable environs, might sort out a few of your ideas....... honestly.

 

[LuisDantas]

I was thinking much the same thing, Oldbadger.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Questions:- Does your fascination with sexual or harem slavery possibly indicate a level of insecurity? If you were in a harem and the Sultan liked you.... then you would be safe and secure? You mention that a concubine became a wife..... which possibly indicates the chance of a yet stronger and more security still?

Insecurity? Insecurity about what? I really have no idea about this because people throw that word around and I have never grasped it. I am extremely stupid when it comes to socializing and psychology.

I really cannot explain my fascination with it. The idea of a slave-girl becoming a wife is not important though. I really dislike the notion of status honestly, call me a Commie or a Hopewellian on that if you like.

I think a week of slavery, even in a comfortable environs, might sort out a few of your ideas....... honestly.

I have always felt enslaved my entire life. Being abnormally passive is a well known trait of mine. I have hated myself for it many times.

 

[LuisDantas]

Insecurity? Insecurity about what? I really have no idea about this because people throw that word around and I have never grasped it. I am extremely stupid when it comes to socializing and psychology.

Keeping in mind that I am shooting in the dark, that is exactly what I suspect to be the core matter at hand.

You may feel ill-equipped and ill-informed about how to connect with people in meaningful ways. It is conceivable that such a situation might make enslavery fantasies appealing. It would mean third-partying the chore and bother to someone who is supposedly well-versed and capable in dealing with them while also assuring a strong personal connection to those efforts - at least in fantasyland.

Assuming there is anything to that, the best thing to do is probably accept that fantasy and learn of its consequences (in a way that does not endanger yourself, mind you) until you somehow get tired of it or learn of a better approach to fulfill your security needs.

 

[oldbadger]

Insecurity? Insecurity about what? I really have no idea about this because people throw that word around and I have never grasped it. I am extremely stupid when it comes to socializing and psychology.

I'm just a layman, but I was always very interested in 'mindsets' such as insecurity. Many people who live around me and my life are insecure in so many differing ways. I see insecurity everywhere. It manifests itself in both rich and poor, strong and weak, both simple and complicated minds. I have insecurities which I try to handle by storing money in different sources, for example. Please embrace the word, the condition, and think about it, because it may just explain some of your own thought patterns.

I really cannot explain my fascination with it. The idea of a slave-girl becoming a wife is not important though. I really dislike the notion of status honestly, call me a Commie or a Hopewellian on that if you like.

I won't label you at all. I hate labels, and mistrust labellers. Many people in the West are terrified of appearing as anything outside of 'normal' or 'regular', and an easy way to hurt the average person is to label them as 'weird' in some way. It's your average verbal 'stone' to throw. So you enjoy your fascinations where you find them, and as you find them, but by all means think about them as well.
Some folks will criticise you for mostly anything...... even your avatar pic.
Some folks say that 'Evil is as evil thinks'.
You enjoy your dreams. I have my own!

I have always felt enslaved my entire life. Being abnormally passive is a well known trait of mine. I have hated myself for it many times.

We are all enslaved. No matter how I try I can't lift off from this Earth to see the rest of the universe..... totally imprisoned!
I wasted decades hating myself..... quite stupid really, since any number of people were happy to do that to me for nothing. Better that we come to accept ourselves for what we are, whilst doing our best to change ourselves where and as we can.

So my first post was not a criticism...... just a question. Your fascination with the harem could well fit your feelings of enslavement whilst providing you with a satisfactory solution...... a place where you are protected and valued.
It's a good dream. Some of my dreams are somewhat more unusual than yours!

 

[Sunstone]

For some reason I am fascinated by the English painting of the Sultan's harems during the Ottoman rule.
The images are so beautiful and amazing I just can't help but be in awe. The other thing is not the art but the act of enslavement by the Ottoman's which was of course conquest. I understand the atrocities of slavery but at the same time I am just baffled by what slave owners would have in such ancient times.

Princesses of various lands were taken to the Sultan's palace where they all served as concubines to bare the Sultan a child. One of my favorite examples of this is Suleiman and his love of his slave girl Hurem Sultan who later became his wife.

Perhaps my love of something immoral is just stupid, I do not know. The old Ottoman idea of royal slavery just seems so romantic in a very cruel way.

Sexual slavery isn't to my taste, nor is the desire to be a sex slave something I understand, but I have friends who are into it, and some of them -- not all, but some -- seem pretty healthy, intelligent, and compassionate people.

If you feel a need to be a slave, I'd suggest you accept that aspect of your sexuality. So long as you're hurting only yourself, it's no one's business but your own.

You might note, however, that the Forum software prevents you from hitting the "submit" button more than once every few seconds. So there are intrinsic limits around here to how slavish you can get.

 

[Sha'irullah]

By the way I wish to clarify I did not mean beautiful I mean't romantic and intimate. Sorry I was at a loss of words for some reason

 

[YmirGF]

I now very well it is messed up, I am not denying it. I am also not in support of slavery but great Zeus the fantasy of it is spectacular

But the reality is likely far from how you imagine it. Glorifying this type of thing is a tiny bit unseemly. You might want to consider alternatives like the lint in Sunstone's belly button.

 

[Wirey]

But the reality is likely far from how you imagine it. Glorifying this type of thing is a tiny bit unseemly. You might want to consider alternatives like the lint in Sunstone's belly button.

I already called dibs on that!

 

[Kilgore Trout]

How are they "kiddy pornish", they're just anime images?

In the same way that all anime is at least vaguely kiddy pornish.

 

[Alceste]

By the way I wish to clarify I did not mean beautiful I mean't romantic and intimate. Sorry I was at a loss of words for some reason

As long as you realize that there's a massive difference between a sex slave fantasy and the brutal, awful reality of human trafficking IRL, your fetish is a pretty harmless one.

 

[StarryNightshade]

Am I the only one who finds Slavery to be "Romantic"?

You're probably not the only one, but I'm certainty not. :no:

Besides, like others have mentioned. there is a HUGE difference between a master-slave relationship and what you described in your OP.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Sexuality seems to be the most common way that people explore and express the hidden corners of our underlying psyche, and themes of control, power/powerlessness, domination, subservience, etc. are among the most common, so it doesn't seem unusual for someone to project this onto the idea of slavery.