Am I the only one who finds Slavery to be "beautiful"?

[Brickjectivity]

I agree. The very strange thing about people is that our internal thought life is completely separate from our external actions and speech, but sometimes we lose the ability to perceive that or autonomy or in some way are afraid to be who we are, to be ourselves. For example in a slave ( a real slave ) this ability is often damaged. They're afraid to keep secrets or afraid people can see their thoughts, afraid to try anything, afraid to leave their master. To a lesser extent this can happen to free people. They lose themselves. This appears to be an area where a little sex play or porn can help people, that is according to a documentary I watched.

 

[Fireside_Hindu]

Philo, I think you have done what many people do, which is fall in love with a romanticized version of something that is actually quite dreadful. It's a form of escapism. The fantasy is that you have no control, but in actuality the fantasy is the only thing you have control over. If you were actually enslaved in real life, you would have no control over how romantic is was (if at all). It's similar to rape fantasy. Women imagine that it would be really hot to be ravaged by a stranger, but that's because in your mind you actually have control over how it all pans out. There's no actual loss of control. So really, you're tricking yourself into thinking you'd enjoy something that would really be very traumatizing.

As others have said, I don't share you perspective, but as long as you know the difference between reality and fantasy and don't hurt anyone with your fantasy, carry on.

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[Brickjectivity]

Also Dreams have no moral boundaries. Most everybody has a different world on the inside than on the outside. When it comes to dreams often 'Good' people have dreams in which they do things that are 'Bad'. Typical is a dream by someone very conservatively dressed about going somewhere naked in public or finding themselves naked or partially so in a public place. Psychologists say that is because people desire to feel secure, and they don't feel secure thinking about some things, often things that are socially unacceptable or immoral. The thought of some things itself produces fear. Their dreams explore the things they are afraid to think about in an effort to bring peace, to file away the fear of the idea. Its all about the working of their brain, but it makes for very strange dreams sometimes.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I enjoy Dominance and submission but I don't find actual slavery attractive or "beautiful" at all. You're just romanticizing it.

 

[Penumbra]

Seems to me there's a big difference between consensual BDSM that some people do, and the actual practice of non-consensual slavery.

Either way I don't really get the appeal, but viewing the latter from the romanticized viewpoint of the former, is not accurate, I'm sure.

 

[MattersOfTheHeart]

For some reason I am fascinated by the English painting of the Sultan's harems during the Ottoman rule.
The images are so beautiful and amazing I just can't help but be in awe. The other thing is not the art but the act of enslavement by the Ottoman's which was of course conquest. I understand the atrocities of slavery but at the same time I am just baffled by what slave owners would have in such ancient times.

Princesses of various lands were taken to the Sultan's palace where they all served as concubines to bare the Sultan a child. One of my favorite examples of this is Suleiman and his love of his slave girl Hurem Sultan who later became his wife.

Perhaps my love of something immoral is just stupid, I do not know. The old Ottoman idea of royal slavery just seems so romantic in a very cruel way.

You might check out a new book called
AD 30 by Ted Dekker. It isn't exactly Ottoman era, but simply romantic and around the topic you are speaking of.

 

[FearGod]

For some reason I am fascinated by the English painting of the Sultan's harems during the Ottoman rule.
The images are so beautiful and amazing I just can't help but be in awe. The other thing is not the art but the act of enslavement by the Ottoman's which was of course conquest. I understand the atrocities of slavery but at the same time I am just baffled by what slave owners would have in such ancient times.

Princesses of various lands were taken to the Sultan's palace where they all served as concubines to bare the Sultan a child. One of my favorite examples of this is Suleiman and his love of his slave girl Hurem Sultan who later became his wife.

Perhaps my love of something immoral is just stupid, I do not know. The old Ottoman idea of royal slavery just seems so romantic in a very cruel way.

Polyamory and having many mistresses is OK, but not as slavery.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Polyamory and having many mistresses is OK, but not as slavery.

You believe in a religion that promotes slavery and especially sexual slavery. My entire fantasy comes from your religion and the artwork associated with it now you tell me it is not so.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Polyamory and having many mistresses is OK, but not as slavery.

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[FearGod]

You believe in a religion that promotes slavery and especially sexual slavery. My entire fantasy comes from your religion and the artwork associated with it now you tell me it is not so.

Slaves is a headache.

I believe Prostitutes is much cheaper than owning a slave besides a man can have a relation with an endless number of prostitutes than keeping one or more of one as slaves, but it is illegal and not accepted in Islam to have sex with prostitutes or with mistresses.

But if a woman want to be a slave for a king for example, then it is up to her, i regard it as kind of freedom but i don't agree to be forced in slavery.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Slaves is a headache.

I believe Prostitutes is much cheaper than owning a slave besides a man can have a relation with an endless number of prostitutes than keeping one or more of one as slaves, but it is illegal and not accepted in Islam to have sex with prostitutes or with mistresses.

But if a woman want to be a slave for a king for example, then it is up to her, i regard it as kind of freedom but i don't agree to be forced in slavery.

Slavery is based upon the concept of conquest which as a Muslim you would understand or should understand. Muhammad was an excellent conqueror and was very efficient judging the results. He founded a religion which constructs logical mandates for conquering and enforces numerous methodologies of war and plundering. He gave legal systems for slave ownership and the division of booty.
It was a very efficient system and despite its barbarian and cultish nature provided rights(limited nonetheless) to kafirs, slaves and outsiders before they could be killed. Perfect system for a dictatorship

 

[FearGod]

Slavery is based upon the concept of conquest which as a Muslim you would understand or should understand. Muhammad was an excellent conqueror and was very efficient judging the results. He founded a religion which constructs logical mandates for conquering and enforces numerous methodologies of war and plundering. He gave legal systems for slave ownership and the division of booty.
It was a very efficient system and despite its barbarian and cultish nature provided rights(limited nonetheless) to kafirs, slaves and outsiders before they could be killed. Perfect system for a dictatorship

Which verses that support your view about slavery ?

 

[Sha'irullah]

Which verses that support your view about slavery ?

Not a quote miner but I will get back to ya with that

 

[Kerr]

Slaves is a headache.

I believe Prostitutes is much cheaper than owning a slave besides a man can have a relation with an endless number of prostitutes than keeping one or more of one as slaves, but it is illegal and not accepted in Islam to have sex with prostitutes or with mistresses.

But if a woman want to be a slave for a king for example, then it is up to her, i regard it as kind of freedom but i don't agree to be forced in slavery.

And if she changes her mind, then what? Once she is a slave she has no choice. She is at the mercy of her owner, the king.

 

[FearGod]

And if she changes her mind, then what? Once she is a slave she has no choice. She is at the mercy of her owner, the king.

I think if he loves her and wants to keep her and he cares about her then i don't think she will think to find a better place than his palace, and if he hates her then rationally he won't care as to keep her.

 

[Kerr]

I think if he loves her and wants to keep her and he cares about her then i don't think she will think to find a better place than his palace, and if he hates her then rationally he won't care as to keep her.

You are assuming he is a rational and good man, while its unfortunately rather not unlikely he wont be. There are better ways to handle that situation then slavery. Infact, slavery is probably one of the worst ways you can handle it.

 

[FearGod]

You are assuming he is a rational and good man, while its unfortunately rather not unlikely he wont be. There are better ways to handle that situation then slavery. Infact, slavery is probably one of the worst ways you can handle it.

It is a fact that there is an extremely rich people and an extremely poor people.

Do you think the extremely poor people can have their own choices in life if any ?
It is either to live or to starve.

 

[CMike]

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What if you can't afford a sex slave?

Should they be provided by the government?

It's unfair that some people can afford them and some people can't>

 

[FearGod]

What if you can't afford a sex slave?

Should they be provided by the government?

It's unfair that some people can afford them and some people can't>

Should we make all people rich ? and how
Some have maids and others can't afford it, some have more than one maid.
Should all people have maids ?

 

[dust1n]

Slavery is always beautiful when the slave owner tells the story.