Wildswanderer
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Do you lose the thread of the conversation? Do you need me to explain it to you?
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America is "Pro-Life." Are You?
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Subduction Zone
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What is there to explain? You made one dodge after another.
And where did anybody say anything about "encourage?"
And I personally knew people (more than one) who tried and failed, lived on miserably for a while longer, and tried again and succeeded. Sometimes after several attempts. I certainly didn't "encourage" them -- quite the opposite. But in the end, is it up to me to disapprove that they finally managed it? I wasn't happy about it, of course not, but what po9ssible good would my disapproval do?
When you can foresee all ends, then maybe you can use such logic as above -- but you can't. Just wishful thinking, and that's all.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
I don't see where I dodged anything. The other guy is ducking and weaving though.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
So I should be prevented from killing myself?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Legal suicide is encouraging it.
And what's the punishment for successfully committing suicide, that is going to change the mind of the person who sincerely wishes to die? String them up by their heels? Flog their corpse?
Sheesh!
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Whoosh... totally missed the point!
Where am I dodging? I am making myself 100 percent clear about where I stand on all of these issues.
Is it not clear to you? Well, here it is: there are a lot of things that I may not like, but that it is not mine to interfere with. If I know a pregnant woman who wishes an abortion, I have NO SAY AT ALL in the matter. I may not like it, but who cares what I like?
If I have a friend who commits suicide, I may not like it, but what should I do? Convince myself he was never my friend and think back with nothing but hatred? What a waste of time that would be.
Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.
No, the point was completely inane, for the reason I lampooned.
That is the point, sir.
If, as I propose, it is a separate human being, the decision to have a baby or not should be before conception. That is when all parties should be involved.
As it stands, I have no reason to believe it is not a separate being with inalienable rights given by the Creator.
Oh, that's helpful. So this big brute is just about to have his unlawful way with a 13 year old, and all she need do is say, "pardon me, sir, you can't rape me, because I have decided not to have a baby yet. Thank you."
Okay, that was harsh, and I agree that most unwanted pregnancies are in fact the result of carelessness, pressure that the individual doesn't feel they have the strength to resist, and all sorts of other reasons. But you are suggesting that this is the one "mistake" that there must be no recovery from.
"Your error, lady -- live with it!" The Christian way.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
He asked you a question. You did not answer it. That was a dodge.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Sorry, but being a "separate being" does not give one free reign to use someone else's body just because they need it to survive. You are back to allowing anyone that needs a kidney transplant the right to tie into your system until they can get a kidney of their own.
I have to follow up on this, @KenS , because you've made me a tad cross.
Look, you may have been perfect as a youth, never tried to pressure a girl in high school into "going all the way," (although you would be one of a smaller percentage than those who are transgender in that case!). And maybe you never promised a girl in college that, if she would just "give in" that marriage was assured. When in fact marriage is not only not assured but not even on that young man's mind, however much the girl may love him.
But guess what, this happens. And I guarantee you, it happens a lot. We are human, and because we are human we are going to make mistakes, we are going to believe false promises, we are going to be conned. All of us, one time or another, in one way or another. And all of us, even with out best intentions, are going to falsely promise and con others -- maybe not terribly egregiously, but we are going to.
I get that you think people should be "perfect" like Jesus, but people aren't Jesus -- they're people. And if I am not mistaken, Jesus is said to have had some compassion for their mistakes.
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You might want to edit your post and add an "S" to Ken's name. As it is the post will try to tag someone that has not been here for 16 years.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
No, it's for terminal patients who are suffering and don't have much time left to live anyways. Who's right is it to demand them and tell they must needlessly suffer and linger on longer than they are willing?
There are 66 out of 100,000 that are raped. of those 5% end in pregnancy or 4 out of 100,000 rapes. it would be much less if you zero in on 13 year old
It is very interesting that you want to paint a free abortion society for anybody and everybody on that basis.
So, your answer to a rape pregnancy is terminate the baby. Well... so long Jesse Jackson and seven-time World Champion Surfer, Layne Beachley.
that doesn't sound caring and loving to me however horrible, unjust and violent a rape is.
So, are you pro-death penalty?
Go on to the follow-up post, please.