America is "Pro-Life." Are You?

[Subduction Zone]

I'm pro-abortion, pro-gun, pro-sex work, pro-liberty,
pro-free speech, & anti-draft. This is not an exhaustive list.

Dang, with all of those "pros" I was sure that you were going to be pro-draft

 

[Revoltingest]

Dang, with all of those "pros" I was sure that you were going to be pro-draft

Gotta mix things up.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Seriously? You believe that the only moral men are those with no desire for women?
How do you know what percentage do or don't pressure women for sex?

Where did I say anything about "moral?" Please stop making things up.

And I did not say "men," I said "youths." And I was one myself once, living among many others. You kind of get to know stuff through chatter and attendance at parties.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Life should be preserved. That's part of a doctor's oath actually... not to end life because it's hard. That way leads very quickly to euthanasia.

Will one of you people PLEASE tell me about the benefits of keeping somebody alive when they are in agony and will die soon -- IN AGONY -- anyway? Why is that so much better than dying just a little sooner, in peace and relative comfort?

That seems bloody sadistic, to me.

 

[Revoltingest]

Life should be preserved. That's part of a doctor's oath actually... not to end life because it's hard. That way leads very quickly to euthanasia.

Oaths can change to reflect evolving situations
that aren't addressed well. One example is the
technology to keep people alive, but with a poor
& even horrible quality of life.
Some believe that government owns our lives, or
that suicide immoral for religious reasons. I disagree
with both. We own our lives, & have the right to end
them for our own reasons.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I hate suicide with such a passion that I can't even begin to describe it, because of the devastation it leaves behind. I could never support assisted suicide or agree that it should be legal, because I've experienced just a little of the effects and it alters everything... suicide is almost never a solitary action, it kills once then slowly kills again.

Oaths can change to reflect evolving situations
that aren't addressed well. One example is the
technology to keep people alive, but with a poor
& even horrible quality of life.
Some believe that government owns our lives, or
that suicide immoral for religious reasons. I disagree
with both. We own our lives, & have the right to end
them for our own reasons.

 

[Secret Chief]

Oaths can change to reflect evolving situations
that aren't addressed well. One example is the
technology to keep people alive, but with a poor
& even horrible quality of life.
Some believe that government owns our lives, or
that suicide immoral for religious reasons. I disagree
with both. We own our lives, & have the right to end
them for our own reasons.

Sometimes reading this forum makes me suicidal.

 

[Revoltingest]

I hate suicide with such a passion that I can't even begin to describe it, because of the devastation it leaves behind. I could never support assisted suicide or agree that it should be legal, because I've experienced just a little of the effects and it alters everything... suicide is almost never a solitary action, it kills once then slowly kills again.

To exercise many of our rights that could have
negative consequences for others, eg, hate speech,
divorce, possession of property. No one should be
forced to live a life so painful that death is preferable,
just because others desire it.
IMO

 

[Revoltingest]

Sometimes reading this forum makes me suicidal.

Hmmm....sometimes reading this forum
makes have murderous thoughts.

 

[Secret Chief]

Hmmm....sometimes reading this forum
makes have murderous thoughts.

We could do each other a favour.

 

[JIMMY12345]

I'm reminded of George Carlin's words on this subject:

George Carlin : These people call themselves "right to lifers." Don't you love that phrase? And don't you love the way these kind of people pervert the English language? You realize that most of the right-to-lifers are in favor of the DEATH penalty? And they support the South American DEATH squads. And they're against gun control and they're against nuclear weapons control. When they say "right to life," they're talking about THEIR right to decide which people should live or die.

We have universal healthcare and I support measures to help the poor and children.

Republicans and Democrats must be seen to support Family values. More Federal and state aid for poor single mothers to be and low income families. This will negate to a degree any need for abortion. Otherwise Politicians will seem to have jumped on a political band wagon issue to garner votes.
To do otherwise than provide more financial support would be seen by the Religious right as not only cynical...but downright unchristian.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I hate suicide with such a passion that I can't even begin to describe it, because of the devastation it leaves behind. I could never support assisted suicide or agree that it should be legal, because I've experienced just a little of the effects and it alters everything... suicide is almost never a solitary action, it kills once then slowly kills again.

Then you must hate death in exactly the same fashion.

Everybody is going to die -- everybody. And when people die, they will leave behind people who loved them, and regret their death.

And then those left behind get over it, and move on. This is a natural and totally unavoidable part of human life, and we will all experience it.

There is no logical reason why you should hate it that somebody took their own life because that life was no longer bearable to them, more than you should hate it that somebody got cancer, or COVID, or an accidental bullet, and died.

 

[Wildswanderer]

There is no logical reason why you should hate it that somebody took their own life because that life was no longer bearable to them, more than you should hate it that somebody got cancer, or COVID, or an accidental bullet, and died.

Of course there is. Self murder is spitting in God's face. It's not logical in any sense either.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Of course there is. Self murder is spitting in God's face. It's not logical in any sense either.

I know of no "god," so how could I possibly spit it its face?

It is the great skill and practice of those who enjoy torturing people to try to keep them alive as long as possible -- so as to prolong their suffering. And it has been known throughout history that those being so tortured have often expressed the desire that death would come more quickly, because they can no longer bear the agony.

And you think that's just a dandy thing to inflict on somebody that you think you love? Well I don't. I would lovingly kiss them goodbye, and let them go in peace, no matter the cost to me.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I know of no "god," so how could I possibly spit it its face?

It is the great skill and practice of those who enjoy torturing people to try to keep them alive as long as possible -- so as to prolong their suffering. And it has been known throughout history that those being so tortured have often expressed the desire that death would come more quickly, because they can no longer bear the agony.

And you think that's just a dandy thing to inflict on somebody that you think you love? Well I don't. I would lovingly kiss them goodbye, and let them go in peace, no matter the cost to me.

If you are talking about not keeping someone alive with a machine I get that. Otherwise, no.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The next Einstein or someone who could have cured cancer, diabetes, or helped greatly with global warming could have been aborted.
We will never know.

If that's your concern, there are bigger fish to fry than abortion:

"I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." - Steven Jay Gould

Also, "we need more Einsteins" is as much of an argument for unprotected one-night stands as it is against aborting pregnancies resulting from one-night stands.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

If you are talking about not keeping someone alive with a machine I get that. Otherwise, no.

Well, I guess we'll never understand each other in this regard.

Here is a line from a Supreme Court of Canada 1993 case involving a British Columbia woman, Sue Rodriquez, wishing to court to permit a physician-assisted death (the court denied it then, but it is now legal in Canada).

"The appellant, a 42‑year‑old mother, suffers from amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. Her condition is rapidly deteriorating and she will soon lose the ability to swallow, speak, walk and move her body without assistance. Thereafter she will lose the capacity to breathe without a respirator, to eat without a gastrotomy and will eventually become confined to a bed. Her life expectancy is between 2 and 14 months. The appellant does not wish to die so long as she still has the capacity to enjoy life, but wishes that a qualified physician be allowed to set up technological means by which she might, when she is no longer able to enjoy life, by her own hand, at the time of her choosing, end her life."

For myself, I disagreed with the court then -- and so did many others. Sue Rodriquez did in fact end her own life, with the aid of an anomyous doctor, arranged and attended by a Member of Parliament, Svend Robinson. That was in 1994. Eleven years later, in 2015, the Supreme struck down its own 1993 ruling unanimously, allowing Medical Assistance in Dying (MAiD) in Canada.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Of course there is. Self murder is spitting in God's face. It's not logical in any sense either.

Good thing God is imaginary then.

You seriously have a problem with a terminally ill person ending their life peacefully and painlessly on their own terms? That's messed up.

 

[We Never Know]

If that's your concern, there are bigger fish to fry than abortion:

"I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." - Steven Jay Gould

Also, "we need more Einsteins" is as much of an argument for unprotected one-night stands as it is against aborting pregnancies resulting from one-night stands.

Who says we need more Einsteins?
Sorry it went over your head but my point is more like...the person who could have cured cancer, global warming, diabetes, etc may have been aborted.

 

[Heyo]

Who says we need more Einsteins?
Sorry it went over your head but my point is more like...the person who could have cured cancer, global warming, diabetes, etc may have been aborted.

And the answer may have went over your head. "The person who could have cured cancer, global warming, diabetes, etc" may be living among us already but working on a cotton field or in a sweat shop because they didn't get the same chance as Einstein.
Or in other words, we should care more about the living than about the potentially living.