America is "Pro-Life." Are You?

[Kenny]

Sorry, but being a "separate being" does not give one free reign to use someone else's body just because they need it to survive. You are back to allowing anyone that needs a kidney transplant the right to tie into your system until they can get a kidney of their own.

So, just let the 1 month old baby die because they are using my money, my time, my milk... oh, wait a minute... you go to jail for child abuse because you didn't give what "THEY NEED TO SURVIVE"!

I think you are digging yourself into a hole.

 

[Kenny]

Go on to the follow-up post, please.

Because of you uncaring position?

I have to follow up on this, @KenS , because you've made me a tad cross.

Look, you may have been perfect as a youth, never tried to pressure a girl in high school into "going all the way," (although you would be one of a smaller percentage than those who are transgender in that case!). And maybe you never promised a girl in college that, if she would just "give in" that marriage was assured. When in fact marriage is not only not assured but not even on that young man's mind, however much the girl may love him.

But guess what, this happens. And I guarantee you, it happens a lot. We are human, and because we are human we are going to make mistakes, we are going to believe false promises, we are going to be conned. All of us, one time or another, in one way or another. And all of us, even with out best intentions, are going to falsely promise and con others -- maybe not terribly egregiously, but we are going to.

I get that you think people should be "perfect" like Jesus, but people aren't Jesus -- they're people. And if I am not mistaken, Jesus is said to have had some compassion for their mistakes.

Hmmmmmmmm.... you forget that I got saved at 28 and I have a past.

Not to mention my sister pregnant by an adult at age 14 (which she had)... care to redress your imaginary picture-perfect life of mine?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

There are 66 out of 100,000 that are raped. of those 5% end in pregnancy or 4 out of 100,000 rapes. it would be much less if you zero in on 13 year old

It is very interesting that you want to paint a free abortion society for anybody and everybody on that basis.

So, your answer to a rape pregnancy is terminate the baby. Well... so long Jesse Jackson and seven-time World Champion Surfer, Layne Beachley.

that doesn't sound caring and loving to me however horrible, unjust and violent a rape is.

So, are you pro-death penalty?

And you already know the answer to your last question -- it's been answered far too many times already. I'm disappointed you would ask it again, frankly.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So, just let the 1 month old baby die because they are using my money, my time, my milk... oh, wait a minute... you go to jail for child abuse because you didn't give what "THEY NEED TO SURVIVE"!

I think you are digging yourself into a hole.

You can't keep your facts straight. We are talking about someone living directly off of another. You would not let someone hook themselves up to you because they need your liver. Let's say you were the only match available. Would that be moral to deny them access to your body? Right now, largely due to abortions any newborn would be snapped up if the parents did not want it. That was not always the case. Do you seriously think that all of them would be adopted? We could go overt the numbers and see how likely that would be.

 

[Kenny]

And you already know the answer to your last question -- it's been answered far too many times already. I'm disappointed you would ask it again, frankly.

And I'm not surprised at your world view because of your faith. And since Christ is my justifier I am more interested in his approval.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Because of you uncaring position?

I see -- so you've decided to be nasty. Read my posts, in their totality, and explain "uncaring position" using MY WORDS, not your biases.

Hmmmmmmmm.... you forget that I got saved at 28 and I have a past.

Not to mention my sister pregnant by an adult at age 14 (which she had)... care to redress your imaginary picture-perfect life of mine?

Precisely. And since you "have a past," have you forgiven yourself? Or will you wear a hair shirt forever?

 

[Kenny]

You can't keep your facts straight. We are talking about someone living directly off of another. You would not let someone hook themselves up to you because they need your liver. Let's say you were the only match available. Would that be moral to deny them access to your body? Right now, largely due to abortions any newborn would be snapped up if the parents did not want it. That was not always the case. Do you seriously think that all of them would be adopted? We could go overt the numbers and see how likely that would be.

If I feed my child... they are living DIRECTLY off of me, my finances, my efforts, my sleepless nights, my house...

no difference.

Your position isn't moral at all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If I feed my child... they are living DIRECTLY off of me, my finances, my efforts, my sleepless nights, my house...

no difference.

Your position isn't moral at all.

No, they really aren't. Do you feed them by tying them into your blood system? That is a huge difference.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

And I'm not surprised at your world view because of your faith. And since Christ is my justifier I am more interested in his approval.

Do you know what, @KenS? My post #75 was written in earnest, and in good faith.

And I note that you are ignoring trying to address the points made in it.

Of course. As usual, I've tried, and I'm disappointed.

 

[Kenny]

I see -- so you've decided to be nasty. Read my posts, in their totality, and explain "uncaring position" using MY WORDS, not your biases.

Precisely. And since you "have a past," have you forgiven yourself? Or will you wear a hair shirt forever?

I understand grace and the value of life.

I wish my parents understood that before they lived their lives as they lived it.

With your past, I thought you would understand that and the value of life and what I am trying to relay.

 

[Kenny]

No, they really aren't. Do you feed them by tying them into your blood system? That is a huge difference.

Does breast milk come out of the blood system? (my wife's of course )

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

dog·ma
/ˈdôɡmə/
noun

1. a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.
   "the rejection of political dogma"
2. I don't need to think, I already know the truth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Does breast milk come out of the blood system? (my wife's of course )

Grasping at straws. Still not the same.

 

[Kenny]

Do you know what, @KenS? My post #75 was written in earnest, and in good faith.

And I note that you are ignoring trying to address the points made in it.

Of course. As usual, I've tried, and I'm disappointed.

Ok... maybe it is how one hears it.

"pardon me, sir, you can't rape me, because I have decided not to have a baby yet. Thank you."

"Your error, lady -- live with it!" The Christian way."

Somehow it just doesn't come across as "in good faith".

I'm not trying to find your approval. At this point, we both understand our world-view and, if you like, we both can be disappointed in each other.

 

[savagewind]

Right off the top of my head...America is NOT pro-life.

The life of the living is in jeopardy all over the World. Do most people in the USA care about that? I think not. A few of them think about making more money. The rest of us are thinking about whether or not we might sustain our custom of life whatever the bossy people might do or not do.

Let's just start where the starting is good. SAVE THE WHALES!

OMG! How? Just let's all quit our own overindulgence of everything!

OK I'm with you! What do the whales have to do with it? Are we not dumping our plastic in the oceans? STOP IT!

There is too much to do. We are doomed!

I believe in saving the wildlife before considering how we might save the unborn human beings.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Ok... maybe it is how one hears it.

"pardon me, sir, you can't rape me, because I have decided not to have a baby yet. Thank you."

"Your error, lady -- live with it!" The Christian way."

Somehow it just doesn't come across as "in good faith".

I'm not trying to find your approval. At this point, we both understand our world-view and, if you like, we both can be disappointed in each other.

Did you forget what you said, that prompted that response? Because I want you to remember, rape is being routinely dismissed as a legitimate reason for abortion around the country. Why I wrote as I did is because you said:

"If, as I propose, it is a separate human being, the decision to have a baby or not should be before conception. That is when all parties should be involved."

Well, I answered for "all of the parties involved" in a rape.

 

[Kenny]

Did you forget what you said, that prompted that response? Because I want you to remember, rape is being routinely dismissed as a legitimate reason for abortion around the country. Why I wrote as I did is because you said:

"If, as I propose, it is a separate human being, the decision to have a baby or not should be before conception. That is when all parties should be involved."

Well, I answered for "all of the parties involved" in a rape.

I guess it is a hen and egg situation. Can I say your open volley at the OP started it and my first response was VERY loving and in good faith?

It went down from there IMO. and not by me. IMV

EDIT:

And, IMV, because I had good points.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Look, you may have been perfect as a youth, never tried to pressure a girl in high school into "going all the way," (although you would be one of a smaller percentage than those who are transgender in that case!).

Seriously? You believe that the only moral men are those with no desire for women?
How do you know what percentage do or don't pressure women for sex?

 

[Wildswanderer]

No, it's for terminal patients who are suffering and don't have much time left to live anyways. Who's right is it to demand them and tell they must needlessly suffer and linger on longer than they are willing?

Life should be preserved. That's part of a doctor's oath actually... not to end life because it's hard. That way leads very quickly to euthanasia.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Life should be preserved. That's part of a doctor's oath actually... not to end life because it's hard. That way leads very quickly to euthanasia.

It's not that their life is hard, it's that it is someone living a very painful terminal ending and they don't have much time left anyways.
In other words, there is no preserving their life and all that can be done is make the person more comfortable. Which is also what medical providers do.