Well considering they were given infected blankets and following, thousands died of smallpox i guess it could have worked
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Well considering they were given infected blankets and following, thousands died of smallpox i guess it could have worked
If you read the link I provided you will see that the native Americans already had small pox and that they gave it to the people in the fort.
'“Kill every buffalo you can! Every buffalo dead is an Indian gone” (General Dodge).
General Sherman is responsible for developing the strategy for conquering Plains Indians and to clear the plains for the Union Pacific and Kansas Pacific railroads by annihilating the buffalo population of the plains.'
I wonder where they contracted smallpox?
Im guessing you didn't read the link i provided did you?
Here, let me make it easy for you...
The British give smallpox-contaminated blankets to Shawnee and Lenape (Delaware) communities—an action sanctioned by the British officers Sir Jeffery Amherst and his replacement, General Thomas Gage.
“Out of our regard to them … we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect.” —An eyewitness, quoted in Elizabeth A. Fenn, Pox Americana: The Great Smallpox Epidemic of 1775–81, 2001
There are conflicting stories, but it appears that infected blankets were given to natives.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
There was also war. Some of the worst on American soil. Ever heard of King Philip's War?
King Philip's War - Wikipedia
Smallpox was endemic in the environment at that time. There is no way to know where they got it. I certainly read the link you posted. It is from a questionable source, a source with an obvious agenda of promoting a particular native American perspective. My link supplements it with additional content. As the History Channel link I provided states, there is only one well documented case. And that case doesn't justify some of charges and allegations made about putative use of smallpox blankets by colonial people.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
This.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Many died in war and acts of war over colonization.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Denial is a form of delusion or deliberate deception. Too much is evident. Quit denying.
Identifying something as a myth doesn't mean denial. Perhaps you should look up the definition of myth before casting aspersions.
Funny thst they never had smallpox before. And you will note i did say one case, possibly more
"Before"? There was smallpox among the native Americans since 1500. That was over 150 years before the incident you referenced. Furthermore you completely went by the fact that the native Americans there gave smallpox to the British, NOT the other way around. So it could be argued that the native Americans were attempting to use smallpox against the British and not vice versa. In addition smallpox is indiscriminate. It killed native Americans and Europeans alike. So arguing that one side could use it against the other is impractical if not impossible. Yes, you said one case (and possibly more). But the one and only case you have referenced is dubious at best. Moreover it is no case at all. In other words, you haven't produced a single case in support of your case.
One case of natives giving smallpox to invaders. Deliberately or not?
Versus zero of the "invaders"[sic]. The whole meme of Europeans deliberately giving smallpox to native Americans is ludicrous. They lacked both the understanding nor the capability to do so. Furthermore it is anachronistic to ascribe to them the current understanding of racism.
Sheesh poor innocent invaders sont know **** eh?
BTW, doctors were among those invaders
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Having researched a little more i return to my original post there is one documented case of 2 inflected blankets and a handkerchief being given to natives. It appears to be the case i cited in my original post.
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Augustus
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They would have even if folk traded in perfect harmony.
Once the tech was there people would mingle and viruses and bacteria care little for cordiality.
Father Heathen
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Next he'll tell us that The Trail of Tears actually refers to tears of joy.
The actual problem is worse. People who view history with their own biased preconceptions are hurting themselves. Oh, and do you think native Americans didn't have doctors among them? That would be racist. If you bother to read the History Channel post I cited you would see that you have referenced the same case.
So far you have produced zero documented cases. Zero.
Augustus
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Treating “colonisation” as a single thing with European bad guys and native victims is a bit outdated.
It was really a process of European imperialists competing with Native Imperialists and later American imperialists.
All of whom were very violent towards their enemies and all of whom cooperated with other groups.
It was a several century process with many diverse factions doing different things. Many groups were both oppressors and victims, and Native tribes were often as oppressive as Europeans or Americans.
Best to look at specific events in specific places rather than some generic 400 year process.
Few groups come away looking like good guys, lots come out looking very bad.
Here we go. The last tactic of those that can't make their case, to attempt to change the subject. How about you first admit that it is a myth that Europeans used blankets to attempt to spread smallpox among native Americans.