American Muslims Are Now More Accepting Of Homosexuality Than White Evangelicals

[shmogie]

Nowadays, I tend not to bother replying to posts like yours above, because I generally find that, say, reading joke threads is a better use of my time. However, I'm going to make an exception here to say that I think you're in absolutely no position to bash other religions given that your beliefs are homophobic and hateful. It seems to me that even a comic book is more rational and useful than the dogma you subscribe to, since comic books at least don't tend to advocate homophobia or ignorant hatred.

Posts like yours further my view that Christian zeal is just as dangerous and destructive as Islamism. Perhaps you should focus on the intolerance of your own views instead of pointing fingers.

First, your views are insane. When was the last time you heard of a Christian throwing a homosexual off a roof, or stoning one to death, or shooting one ? Christians and Yazidi's are the victims of brutal ethnic cleansing in moslem's, when did you hear of that being done by Christians in western democracies ? Hmmmmmm, hatred, tell me, where in my posts I said I hated anyone or any group.Homophobic, an irrational fear of homosexuals. Wrong label dude, I don;'t fear anyone, including homosexuals " intolerance of my views". Please explain those intolerant views. You are trapped in a mindset of group think, whereby certain words you see compel you to drop into the box of this person is this !!!!! just as our chosen group does, and just as you accuse me of doing. The old experiment of Pavlov and his dogs explains your behavior. Go back to your comic books, you are not suited to grasp any idea that you have already judged to be "bad". They probably won';t have words that trigger your pre programmed and pre approved responses

 

[Faithofchristian]

Moslems have the right, given to them by the Constitution to legally be in the USA. You also need to look at the hadith(s) to get a better scope of what they are taught. There are over 100 suras in the koran prescribing death or torture to the infidel. Taqqiyya in many moslem minds has become an acceptable lie to the infidel, regarding anything. This began in colonial times in moslem country's. I take what moslems say in the USA as President Reagan said of the Russians "trust but verify". As a Christian, you understand that to a greater or lesser extent, since the prophet came screaming out of the desert at the behest of his moon god, we have been in conflict with them because of his instructions and their aggression. You understand Biblical Prophecy and what is predicted, need I say more ?

Are you freaking kidding me, No Muslims or anyone else does not have any Constitutional rights, until they become American Citizens.

Your going to have to give me the Article and Section and paragraph in the Constitution where it is written to what you say. Show your proof of evidence in the Constitution.
I do have and read the Constitution so that people like you can not pass over on me that the Constitution will say this or say that.

Maybe instead of going by what someone say, which is no more than ear say. Read the Constitution for yourself and know for sure what the Constitution actually does say.
As for now, No one outside of the United States do not have any Constitutional rights, Until they become American Citizens.

Go Figure??

 

[Magus]

Christians that criticise Islam make themselves look hypocritical , during Crusades, Christians were chopping heads, burning babies alive and feeding them to there parents, Islam is just an overly exaggerated version of Christianity , both are based on the fear of hell and forever gnashing of teeth.

How can Jesus be moral, if he wrote this,.

Matthew 13:42
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Quran 14:49-50
Those in hell will be chained together. Their clothing will be made of pitch and fire will cover their faces.

As you can see, Christianity and Islam are the same fear-base cults, Why would a moral person teach there kids that they will burn in hell forever for thought crimes.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Christians that criticise Islam make themselves look hypocritical , during Crusades, Christians were chopping heads, burning babies alive and feeding them to there parents, Islam is just an overly exaggerated version of Christianity , both are based on the fear of hell and forever gnashing of teeth.

How can Jesus be moral, if he wrote this,.

Matthew 13:42
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Quran 14:49-50
Those in hell will be chained together. Their clothing will be made of pitch and fire will cover their faces.

As you can see, Christianity and Islam are the same fear-base cults, Why would a moral person teach there kids that they will burn in hell forever for thought crimes.

Are you freaking kidding me, Explain unto which Christians were those, that you claim to do all these things. You have no clue as to which Christians those are, There are two types of Christians in the world. So which one are you referring to?

 

[shmogie]

Are you freaking kidding me, No Muslims or anyone else does not have any Constitutional rights, until they become American Citizens.

Your going to have to give me the Article and Section and paragraph in the Constitution where it is written to what you say. Show your proof of evidence in the Constitution.
I do have and read the Constitution so that people like you can not pass over on me that the Constitution will say this or say that.

Maybe instead of going by what someone say, which is no more than ear say. Read the Constitution for yourself and know for sure what the Constitution actually does say.
As for now, No one outside of the United States do not have any Constitutional rights, Until they become American Citizens.

Go Figure??

Sorry, but the Supreme court has ruled that anyone legally here has constitutional rights., Those here illegally have most rights, but certain laws relating to search and seizure and detention do not apply. As you know, the Supreme Court, according to the Constitution, is the final arbiter of what the Constitution says. Of course, people outside the USA, citizens of another, have no Constitutional rights outside the USA, and have no right to come to the USA. Both of my degree's required Constitutional law classes, I am fairly familiar with what it says.

 

[Magus]

Are you freaking kidding me, Explain unto which Christians were those, that you claim to do all these things. You have no clue as to which Christians those are, There are two types of Christians in the world. So which one are you referring to?

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

This is GOD's law and according to the law of GOD, Homosexuals should be put to death, If God is all-moral and all-wise and he says, they should be put to death, the same GOD that impregnated himself into a Jewish maiden criticising pharisees for not killing disobedient children , then how can Christians criticise Muslims for killing or throwing homosexuals from buildings, if they are just doing what your GOD said to do.

All Christians read the same Bible containing Leviticus, they all must be hypocrites.

 

[shmogie]

Christians that criticise Islam make themselves look hypocritical , during Crusades, Christians were chopping heads, burning babies alive and feeding them to there parents, Islam is just an overly exaggerated version of Christianity , both are based on the fear of hell and forever gnashing of teeth.

How can Jesus be moral, if he wrote this,.

Matthew 13:42
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Quran 14:49-50
Those in hell will be chained together. Their clothing will be made of pitch and fire will cover their faces.

As you can see, Christianity and Islam are the same fear-base cults, Why would a moral person teach there kids that they will burn in hell forever for thought crimes.

The crusades were in response to centuries of moslem expansion, rape, and murder. Moslem wars of expansion killed many, many more people than the crusades did. The difference is that moslem theology sanctioned rape, murder and conquering others. Christian theology did not. Those Christians that did this were in total opposition to what they said they believed. Thought crimes ? I can't address what ol mo said that the moon god told him, but I can address what Christ said. The ultimate fate of the lost in the end is solely based upon their free and willing choice to accept the forgiveness and pardon Christ gives them. Where they ultimately wind up is totally up to them. Christ loves every person who has ever lived on the earth. He did and does offer forgiveness and salvation to every one who chooses it. However, he has the right as the Creator to determine what people must repent of and strive to not to do. Cherishing and habitually doing what is unacceptable to Christ is a choice. A choice to live, and die, and forever be outside his love.,forever separated and forever dead.

One verse and part of a sura is one stupid way to make a comparison.

 

[shmogie]

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

This is GOD's law and according to the law of GOD, Homosexuals should be put to death, If God is all-moral and all-wise and he says, they should be put to death, the same GOD that impregnated himself into a Jewish maiden criticising pharisees for not killing disobedient children , then how can Christians criticise Muslims for killing or throwing homosexuals from buildings, if they are just doing what your GOD said to do.

All Christians read the same Bible containing Leviticus, they all must be hypocrites.

Your ignorance is blinding. Leviticus was given to a wandering nation with it's total focus on claiming the land given to them by God. The entire OT is the covenant is between God and Israel. Christians are under a totally different Covenant, given by Christ. Our law is different. Why don't you make at least a tiny effort to learn something before you babble ?

 

[Magus]

Islam was most likely created as a response too Roman Imperialism disguised as Christianity implementing it's fascist feudal system everywhere, along with the Inquisitions, witch hunting and causing the black death wiping out 60% of the European population.

The crusaders were not only killing Muslims, but Christians, Zoroastrians, Jews and traditional pagans, they just wanted to land grab and tithe everyone.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

If Eve was the mother of all living Cain had to have married his sister by deductive reasoning. He could have gotten married before he was exiled. Adam & Eve didn't have a huge problem with Cain, else they would have killed him themselves.

First problem with this is you're begging the question that Eve is the mother of all. You've yet to provide evidence to support this so there's no reason to believe it's objectively true. Second problem is you're having to baselessly infer the belief that Cain married his sister despite no mention of any siblings being born around the same time as Cain or Abel. Third, how do you know Adam & Eve had no problem with Cain? He was exiled and marked by God to protect him from harm. They couldn't have killed Cain if they'd wanted to as he was protected by God. Fourth, Cain's wife literally appears from nowhere. So either he got her from within his own family or Adam's (extending) family weren't the only source of humans around at the time. Occam's Razor would suggest the latter rather than the former. Fifth, your scenario is still predicated on the notion that the genetic diversitiy of Homo Sapiens sapiens could have arisen from two genetically identical twins which is impossible without your god's magic.

First, your views are insane.

Pointing out that you're throwing pretty big rocks from inside your glass church is not insanity. Christians who believe as you do who complain about religious intolerance from Islam are acting in a rather hypocritical. There's not nothing remotely insane about pointing this out.

When was the last time you heard of a Christian throwing a homosexual off a roof, or stoning one to death, or shooting one?

Here's a couple of examples I got from a few seconds of Googling:

1. Californian Christian shoots his son dead for coming out - April 2016;
2. Gay man killed after homophonic insults were hurled at him - May 2013;
3. Having gay sex is a capital crime in Christian-majority Nigeria;

Then there's the likes of some ******* Christian theologian calling for gay people to be put to death in Nevember or December 2014 as well as the Christian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik who shot up that political gathering in Norway.

Christians and Yazidi's are the victims of brutal ethnic cleansing in moslem's, when did you hear of that being done by Christians in western democracies ?

The last time? The Yugoslav Wars from 1991-2001.

Christians may be the victims of violent discrimination lately but do not pretend you are never the perpetrators. Dominionism is a constant threat in America - if they could, there are more than a few American Christians who would like to see Leviticus 20:13 enacted as law.

 

[Magus]

Your ignorance is blinding. Leviticus was given to a wandering nation with it's total focus on claiming the land given to them by God. The entire OT is the covenant is between God and Israel. Christians are under a totally different Covenant, given by Christ. Our law is different. Why don't you make at least a tiny effort to learn something before you babble ?

Did Jesus abolish the Mosaic Law?

It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 )
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law (Matthew 5:17 )

Where is the Law book in the New Testament?

They are many covenants in the 'OT' .

 

[shmogie]

Did Jesus abolish the Mosaic Law?

It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 )
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law (Matthew 5:17 )

Where is the Law book in the New Testament?

They are many covenants in the 'OT' .

You misquoted the verse from Luke. He said the law would not pass away till all is fulfilled. He fulfilled it all. The Covenants in the OT are for Jews,or those that became Jews. Read the NT, the laws are very clearly there. Every law of the 10 commandments but one is incorporated and expanded in what is called Christ's law. Anything else in the Torah has no standing for Christians

 

[Magus]

You misquoted the verse from Luke. He said the law would not pass away till all is fulfilled. He fulfilled it all. The Covenants in the OT are for Jews,or those that became Jews. Read the NT, the laws are very clearly there. Every law of the 10 commandments but one is incorporated and expanded in what is called Christ's law. Anything else in the Torah has no standing for Christians

The Covenant in Genesis was for Hebrews not Jews , they are many covenants in the OT and they are all based on the decree in Ezra 1:2

'Fulfilled' is an overtly abstract yet meaningless word.

Fill to making something Full ?

Christians simply disguise immorality with word play.

 

[oldbadger]

Christ certainly loved, healed, cared, and loved and understood and forgave. But all of these weren't just acts as ends in themselves., You like so many want to promote a Jesus of permissiveness and no sin, and if it feels good, do it.

Wrong! Jesus was most angry about the corruptness, greed, hypocrisy and carelessness of the upper class..... the Priesthood. Jesus wanted, amongst other things, the return of all the discarded poor-laws, and an end to Temple corruption. His love was for his own.

He also said you had to pick up your cross and follow him,....

.... he never said any such thing.

Your Jesus is a caricature, made as a 60's hippy where everything is love and good.The real Jesus had standards as well as love and forgiveness, they go together.

Nope....... The caricature was that produced by G-John.

That's why he said that many would come to him crying Lord, Lord, we did great things in your name, and he would say, get away from me, I never knew you.

Then you might take care, reconsider..... review.

He also said the road was very wide foir the overwhelming majority on their way to perdition, and the true path was very narrow. Those that follow the hippy Jesus with the joint his mouth who says, do what you wantever man, no matter I love ya: and forgive ya" are on that very wide road.

What rubbish! I have never imagined a White Eurasion Jesus, with blonde hair and blyue eyes, I see a Galilean peasant of the second order, a nagarra (handworker) trying to raise a movement against riesthood corruption.
But Jesus loved to drink with his friends, and had a reputation for imbibing....... a trait that I expect you long ago overlooked.

In my opnion, your idea of Jesus is akin to some la-la land day-dream, only very much more dangerous for freedom, understanding and true love.

 

[shmogie]

First problem with this is you're begging the question that Eve is the mother of all. You've yet to provide evidence to support this so there's no reason to believe it's objectively true. Second problem is you're having to baselessly infer the belief that Cain married his sister despite no mention of any siblings being born around the same time as Cain or Abel. Third, how do you know Adam & Eve had no problem with Cain? He was exiled and marked by God to protect him from harm. They couldn't have killed Cain if they'd wanted to as he was protected by God. Fourth, Cain's wife literally appears from nowhere. So either he got her from within his own family or Adam's (extending) family weren't the only source of humans around at the time. Occam's Razor would suggest the latter rather than the former. Fifth, your scenario is still predicated on the notion that the genetic diversitiy of Homo Sapiens sapiens could have arisen from two genetically identical twins which is impossible without your god's magic.
Very easily explained. Biblical genealogies till very late only listed males. There could have been 10 daughters, and they wouldn't be included



Pointing out that you're throwing pretty big rocks from inside your glass church is not insanity. Christians who believe as you do who complain about religious intolerance from Islam are acting in a rather hypocritical. There's not nothing remotely insane about pointing this out.
Did I complain about religious intolerance from moslems ? If I did, quote it.



Here's a couple of examples I got from a few seconds of Googling:

1. Californian Christian shoots his son dead for coming out - April 2016;
2. Gay man killed after homophonic insults were hurled at him - May 2013;
3. Having gay sex is a capital crime in Christian-majority Nigeria;

Then there's the likes of some ******* Christian theologian calling for gay people to be put to death in Nevember or December 2014 as well as the Christian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik who shot up that political gathering in Norway.




The last time? The Yugoslav Wars from 1991-2001.

Christians may be the victims of violent discrimination lately but do not pretend you are never the perpetrators. Dominionism is a constant threat in America - if they could, there are more than a few American Christians who would like to see Leviticus 20:13 enacted as law.

Hmmmmm, did I ask about alleged Christians committing murders ? Who is this whacky alleged Christian theologian and how many people were killed at his instigation ? Wow, Nigeria, do you consider that a western nation ? I said that Christians were being slaughtered in islamic country's. I said the Crusades were the result of centuries of moslem conquest and violence, and were provoked by them. Finally to Serbia. The Serbs are a Christian people, surrounded by moslem peoples who are the result of violent moslem conquest of Christian peoples.The Serbs have had to fight moslems for centuries to maintain their Christian identity. Their crazy government decided that genocide was required to rid them of the moslems that had been encroaching into their territory for years, What they did in response was satanic and inexcusable. You may find some solace in the fact that since NATO intervened and tilted the balance in favor of the moslems, the Christian Serbs are being butchered. Please READ what I post, and understand what I have said, before you respond to what I didn't say

 

[shmogie]

Wrong! Jesus was most angry about the corruptness, greed, hypocrisy and carelessness of the upper class..... the Priesthood. Jesus wanted, amongst other things, the return of all the discarded poor-laws, and an end to Temple corruption. His love was for his own.


.... he never said any such thing.


Nope....... The caricature was that produced by G-John.


Then you might take care, reconsider..... review.


What rubbish! I have never imagined a White Eurasion Jesus, with blonde hair and blyue eyes, I see a Galilean peasant of the second order, a nagarra (handworker) trying to raise a movement against riesthood corruption.
But Jesus loved to drink with his friends, and had a reputation for imbibing....... a trait that I expect you long ago overlooked.

In my opnion, your idea of Jesus is akin to some la-la land day-dream, only very much more dangerous for freedom, understanding and true love.

Once again, total and complete ignorance parading as some inferior and lacking knowledge. Why don't you just provide information, based upon his words instead of poorly thought out slaverings and goo that mean nothing. Yes, Christ imbibed, I do as well. Another ignorant statement so easily disproved

 

[Nakosis]

This was interesting to learn:
American Muslims Are Now More Accepting Of Homosexuality Than White Evangelicals
Muslims 'accept homosexuality more than evangelical Christians'

Well one step closer to atheism and away from barbaric religious beliefs.

I never thought American Muslims were a problem. Neither Christians either since we are a secular society. Bias is bias, who cares. The law provides equality. It's the non-secular societies folks need to worry about.

Not that we're that great. Prior to 1962, sodomy was punishable by death. It's wasn't until 2003 we got rid of all sodomy laws.

 

[oldbadger]

Once again, total and complete ignorance parading as some inferior and lacking knowledge. Why don't you just provide information, based upon his words instead of poorly thought out slaverings and goo that mean nothing. Yes, Christ imbibed, I do as well. Another ignorant statement so easily disproved

...ignorance parading .... ?
Yeshua Bar Yosef never heard the word Christ in his life, since he did not speak Greek. You are, imo, the things you accuse others of.

And you, with some others, have shown that the thread title is reasonable.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

This is GOD's law and according to the law of GOD, Homosexuals should be put to death, If God is all-moral and all-wise and he says, they should be put to death, the same GOD that impregnated himself into a Jewish maiden criticising pharisees for not killing disobedient children , then how can Christians criticise Muslims for killing or throwing homosexuals from buildings, if they are just doing what your GOD said to do.

All Christians read the same Bible containing Leviticus, they all must be hypocrites.

Look that of Leviticus 20:13 was Israel of the old testament. We are now under the new testament, Which Christian do not kill.

All Christians can do, is talk to explain what danger people place themselves in by doing the homosexualit.

If a person comes to me and ask me about the homosexualit, I will explain to them, but if they still want to live that way, What's that to me, They ask me, so I explain, that's all I'm allowed to do.

But to say they should be killed, that is not for me or anyone else to say. God will take care of it on his Judgement day.

But that does not mean that I can't defend myself, if a person come to hurt me or push on me, I have every right by God to defend myself.

Look Paul wrote in Romans in speaking about a man laying with man, as he would with a woman.
This being homosexualit.Ok.

Paul wrote in Romans 1:32--"Who knowing the Judgement of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them"

Paul wrote those who commit such things are worthy of death" Paul did not say to go out and kill them, No.

Paul said worthy of death, what this means is those are worthy of death. God will take of those, but what about those that have turned away from the homosexualit.are they to worthy of death, No. They have turned away.not doing it no more. But let's be fair,Ok, God will know if they telling the truth or not, For God searches the hearts to know the honesty of their heart.

Notice in the last of what Paul wrote. ( Not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them)

Not only those that do them, but those who give like the pat on the back saying, hey it's ok if you want to do those things.These are they which are worth of death also.

But this does not mean you go out and kill them, No.
This means is that I warned them, about what their facing and that's as far as it goes. If they chose to stay in doing what they do.
That's No sweat off me, I did what I was supposed to do and that's it. The rest is on them.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

This is GOD's law and according to the law of GOD, Homosexuals should be put to death, If God is all-moral and all-wise and he says, they should be put to death, the same GOD that impregnated himself into a Jewish maiden criticising pharisees for not killing disobedient children , then how can Christians criticise Muslims for killing or throwing homosexuals from buildings, if they are just doing what your GOD said to do.

All Christians read the same Bible containing Leviticus, they all must be hypocrites.[/QUOTE--

First that of Leviticus was to Israel.

To day Christians are not allowed to kill anyone other than in self defense.

Those that commit such things as homosexualit, No Christian that is a true Christian does not go about killing them,No way.
What your doing, is taking what applies to Israel in the old testament, and applying it to Christians of the new testament which will not work.
There is No where in the new Testament that Christians are told go out and kill.

All Christians are allowed to do is give warning to people about what they are doing and what the consequences of what they face. And that is all.

So many people misunderstands and twist God's word. Your doing the same thing.

You take that of Leviticus and apply it to Christians to day. And there you are wrong in doing so.

In the new Testament that of Leviticus is cleared up. By the new testament all a Christian is allowed to do, is talk with them and explain the danger of what they do.
But if they want to keep doing, Thats their life and not mine. It's no sweat off me.

You said it's God's law.Ok, God also said in his law "You shalt not kill" This means not to take a life, other than in self defense.

This also means that a Christian can not kill, just because a person is a homosexual or anything else.

Let's say a person who is alcoholic, do I go and take the bottle away from him, or beat them up, Why of course not.
What I do is talk with them, but if in the end they still want drink, what is that to me. I tried to help them, but they refused.so now it's on them.

No more than a homosexual.i tried to help, but they refused, Now it's on them. See ya.bye.

 

[Nakosis]

This was interesting to learn:
American Muslims Are Now More Accepting Of Homosexuality Than White Evangelicals
Muslims 'accept homosexuality more than evangelical Christians'

How many female Imams are there in America?

My Grandmother was Methodist, it was probably like 30 years ago she informed me they had a Female lesbian pastor running her Church. Seemed a bit proud of the progressiveness of Christianity at the time.

If American Muslims are also supporting that kind of equality then good for them.