American Muslims Are Now More Accepting Of Homosexuality Than White Evangelicals

[Faithofchristian]

Oh come on David. Do you really think that Brit Muslims want to go killing at rock concerts? Now that really is prejudiced.
That's like refusing to get on a Ferry because of the 'Herald' incident.

Welli

Look, real Christians follow the real Jesus, the Jesus of love, understanding and togetherness.

Other Christians, the bad uns, follow the Jesus who killed and burned and used the sword, and drowned..... the one that you identified!

You could do well to go find the real Jesus?

You said real Christians follow the real Jesus of love, understanding and togetherness

Are you saying that when Jesus, went into the temple of God, and made a whip and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves. John 2:15

So Jesus was showing them love and understanding and togetherness.when Jesus made a whip and overthrew the tables and seats.and chase them out.

 

[DavidFirth]

Okay, so God created the first batch of humans without the propensity to genetic drift due to intermarriage. Now, a quick question comes to mind -- why did God turn that propensity on only at the time of Moses? And was it just a genetic tweak, or was it a major change?

Acts 1:7
He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority."

 

[DavidFirth]

Oh come on David. Do you really think that Brit Muslims want to go killing at rock concerts? Now that really is prejudiced.
That's like refusing to get on a Ferry because of the 'Herald' incident.

Well, some Muslim wanted to kill at the concert because he surely did so.

I was just pointing out that Muslims in the UK are not lily white as you seem to think they are.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Cain did marry his sister. The prohibition against marrying one's sister did not come until Moses.

Genesis 5:4
After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.

So we see Adam had other children including daughters.

Where does it say he married his sister? How was Cain supposed to have done this since he was exiled for killing Abel? More importantly, why would Adam & Eve allow one of their daughters to mate with a man who had a previous record of murdering his siblings?

 

[Revoltingest]

You hire cars?
Last time I hired a car the villains wanted my credit, criminal, driving and other histories, plus a £1000 deposit non-refundable if I even scratched the worn out crate, and then charged me zillions per day. Now those thieves I would ban............ but gays and SSM really should be free.

The huge majority of our Muslims are ok folks. Honest.
How easily the tables can turn.... do you remember when I ran a thread which focused upon some Muslims who batter their kids if they cannot learn the Koran to Hafiz standards? (If your kid is a hafiz you get automatic entry to heaven). How the membership screamed at me for that.
By the way, are any of your sproglets hafiz? No? OK. I'll see you in the other place, then.

We rent cars when we travel by plane.
Deals must be better here than on your little island.

And I agree that most Muslims are OK people.
But there's no getting around the fact that Islam correlates with some less than libertarian values.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Acts 1:7
He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority."

That's right, no one knows the day or hour.

But God has given to know what is happening in that day and hour. In the book of Revelation

 

[oldbadger]

You said real Christians follow the real Jesus of love, understanding and togetherness

Are you saying that when Jesus, went into the temple of God, and made a whip and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves. John 2:15

So Jesus was showing them love and understanding and togetherness.when Jesus made a whip and overthrew the tables and seats.and chase them out.

Ah, but that's your Jesus....... See? Your Jesus/God the Jesus of violence, killing, threatening, swords, burning, drowning, jealous and envious. In fact I often wonder whether your Jesus might possibly have been the other Jesus, the rioter and murderer as written about in the gospels.

The Jesus that I have studied was a wonderful man, caring, decent, forgiving, understanding, loving.....

It's just a question of which kind of Christian you personally want to be. All the other Christians are coming to accept SSM and Gay relationships, leaving all the bigots back where they belong...... in some kind of spiritual hell, it seems.

 

[oldbadger]

Well, some Muslim wanted to kill at the concert because he surely did so.

I was just pointing out that Muslims in the UK are not lily white as you seem to think they are.

David! That's bonkers!
To focus on some murderous villains, identify that they were Islamic Murderers and then decide that's what the Muslims of the UK all are...... is prejudice. You know that.

This morning I went down to our local Timber & Builder's Yard, got permission to rummage through the timber off-cuts, took a piece to the office, held a delightful debate about it's miserable value and got a fair price and a wink from one of the directors, a Muslim, since the entire group is owned by..... Muslims! That's the face of Muslims in business, commerce, industry and retail. You can't paint 'em all up as hateful killers....... honest.

 

[oldbadger]

We rent cars when we travel by plane.
Deals must be better here than on your little island.

They must be....... But then, I live out in the provinces. London might be better for car rentals. But come to think of it, most folks that travel by plane (that I know) use the airport taxi services which are very reasonable.

And I agree that most Muslims are OK people.
But there's no getting around the fact that Islam correlates with some less than libertarian values.

Yep..... and fundy Christians...... and some Jews.....
As an Elder of the Studd Hill Full Moon Frolickers I would like a bit more control over the female members, starting with the Missus, but she just clouts me when I suggest anything. It's all Femdom........

 

[Debater Slayer]

Those folk you are speaking of were allowed to survive by paying a weekly tax collected by the local imam and passed up the chain. They generated money, the moslem overlords wanted the money, ergo, lets look the other way. If they didn't pay the tax, their life, if they had one, would be hell. Quote Brown to the virtually obliterated Christian and Yazidi populations in the country's moslem immigrants are coming from today. Nevertheless, whatever "classical islam" did, it is irrelevant to what the prophet commands. They found a way around it, that's all.

So, in other words, prejudice is pre judging and forming an opinion based upon that judgement. I have already said I will not go to a homosexual wedding because of religious conviction. This is based upon a judgement made by Paul, almost 2,000 years ago. Marriage is to be between one man and one woman only, anything else is religiously illegitimate. I am just following instructions.

As to the gaystopo , this is a generalized term referring to particularly abusive and/or viloent homosexuals or their supporters. An example of their activities from a couple of years ago will suffice, A reporter returning to Chicago stopped in a pizza restaurant in a small town. Seeing a cross on the wall, the reporter asked the woman in attendance if she was a Christian. The woman said yes. The reporter asked if the woman would serve homosexuals, she said she would. She was then asked if she would cater a homosexual wedding. The woman said her religion would prohibit her from doing so. This was a small family owned business that did not cater. The reporter wrote an article on the conversation in a Chicago paper. The restaurant was inundated with hate phone calls and death threats. Homosexuals arrived to harass customers and block the entrance to the restaurant. A chicago lesbian attempted to recruit others to help her burn down the business. THIS is the gaystopo at work, completely documented

Nowadays, I tend not to bother replying to posts like yours above, because I generally find that, say, reading joke threads is a better use of my time. However, I'm going to make an exception here to say that I think you're in absolutely no position to bash other religions given that your beliefs are homophobic and hateful. It seems to me that even a comic book is more rational and useful than the dogma you subscribe to, since comic books at least don't tend to advocate homophobia or ignorant hatred.

Posts like yours further my view that Christian zeal is just as dangerous and destructive as Islamism. Perhaps you should focus on the intolerance of your own views instead of pointing fingers.

 

[Augustus]

Perhaps, but many moslems believe taqiyya is carte blanche to lie to the infidel about anything. So, since I did, and do understand what it means, perhaps you ought to be correcting these misguided followers of ẗhe ¨ religion of peace¨ rather than me. My original statement stands, perfectly accurate

I'm guessing you don't actually know any Muslims and get your information about them off the internet. How many Muslims do you know on a personal level?

Most Muslims feel no desire to lie to the 'infidels'. I live in the 'Muslim world' and, amazingly, they're not all trying to kill me or deceive me. The average Muslim is no more or less dishonest than the average non-Muslim.

Do some Muslims conceal their true intentions? Of course. The same is true of every single group of people in the world - some of them have hidden agendas. Those who have hidden agendas need no divine mandate to deceive people though, they just do it.

What do you think they are all trying to hide from you? The conspiracy theory version of Taqiyya that you promote is like the old Jewish trope where the Jews were secretly conspiring to do all kinds of nasty things as soon as your back is turned (i.e. a load of nonsense).

 

[Faithofchristian]

Ah, but that's your Jesus....... See? Your Jesus/God the Jesus of violence, killing, threatening, swords, burning, drowning, jealous and envious. In fact I often wonder whether your Jesus might possibly have been the other Jesus, the rioter and murderer as written about in the gospels.

The Jesus that I have studied was a wonderful man, caring, decent, forgiving, understanding, loving.....

It's just a question of which kind of Christian you personally want to be. All the other Christians are coming to accept SSM and Gay relationships, leaving all the bigots back where they belong...... in some kind of spiritual hell, it seems.

Are you freaking kidding me, There's only one Jesus not one or two or three or four.
There's only one.

You make Jesus like you change him into what ever you want him to.

Oh I see, to day you would like Jesus to be this way, but tomorrow I would like Jesus to be this way

Are you freaking kidding me, what's that all about.

 

[Kemosloby]

Christianity bible says it's about forgiving sin not accepting sin. So I have no problem with people sinning but not going to call it good. It's people with too much pride that cannot call themselves a sinner and repent, even to find out they are helpless slaves to sin.

 

[DavidFirth]

Where does it say he married his sister? How was Cain supposed to have done this since he was exiled for killing Abel? More importantly, why would Adam & Eve allow one of their daughters to mate with a man who had a previous record of murdering his siblings?

If Eve was the mother of all living Cain had to have married his sister by deductive reasoning. He could have gotten married before he was exiled. Adam & Eve didn't have a huge problem with Cain, else they would have killed him themselves.

 

[oldbadger]

Are you freaking kidding me, There's only one Jesus not one or two or three or four.
There's only one.

You make Jesus like you change him into what ever you want him to.

Oh I see, to day you would like Jesus to be this way, but tomorrow I would like Jesus to be this way

Are you freaking kidding me, what's that all about.

Well then. Time to go and find the real one.
Yours has to be an impostor., because all your tenets seem to be scewed away from the Jesus of Nazareth, the one who healed, and cared, and loved, and understood and forgave. The one who promoted love before all else.

That's not your Jesus....... no way. Yours has produced self-righteous judgemental bigots by the look of it.
....just sayin'.....

 

[DavidFirth]

Are you freaking kidding me, There's only one Jesus not one or two or three or four.
There's only one.

You make Jesus like you change him into what ever you want him to.

Oh I see, to day you would like Jesus to be this way, but tomorrow I would like Jesus to be this way

Are you freaking kidding me, what's that all about.

He's just messing around with you, man. I wouldn't waste my time arguing with him.

 

[shmogie]

I'm guessing you don't actually know any Muslims and get your information about them off the internet. How many Muslims do you know on a personal level?

Most Muslims feel no desire to lie to the 'infidels'. I live in the 'Muslim world' and, amazingly, they're not all trying to kill me or deceive me. The average Muslim is no more or less dishonest than the average non-Muslim.

Do some Muslims conceal their true intentions? Of course. The same is true of every single group of people in the world - some of them have hidden agendas. Those who have hidden agendas need no divine mandate to deceive people though, they just do it.

What do you think they are all trying to hide from you? The conspiracy theory version of Taqiyya that you promote is like the old Jewish trope where the Jews were secretly conspiring to do all kinds of nasty things as soon as your back is turned (i.e. a load of nonsense).

Apparently you haven't read the foundational documents, of say, the moslem brotherhood, or seen the demands and court cases filed by CAIR,or are not aware that the largest islamic charity in the USA was shut down because it was funneling money to terrorism. I don't promote a version of taqiyya, I say it exist's in the moslem world, two very different concepts. I have known exactly 4 moslems in my life. Thy were good people. You, like many, want to muddy the water by saying that people who speak of principles, idea's, and acts are somehow committing judgement against individual people, which is utter nonsense. I judge people, ALL people based upon how they present themselves to me, and others, not related to any group dynamics. However, I might add that in my home town a moslem was given a job, given help and guidance in his job. His co workers held a baby shower for he and his wife, giving them gifts. They were rewarded by he and his wife showing up at a Christmas party and murdering 14 of them. Now, before you spout the liberal line " that is just a small number", you need to familiarize yourself with the plethora of polls taken of American moslems. The percentage that want criticism of ol' mo made a crime, the percentage that believe that forced FGM is appropriate, the percentage that want sharia in their communities, the percentage that want it legal to marry children that American law makesillegal, all of it. Reputable reliable polls by reputable polling agencies. When I was a kid, Bob Dylan sang a song with the following lyrics, " you don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind is blowing ". I know islam, historically, it's factions, it beliefs and it's morphing process that has brought it to today, I have studied it, as a political movement with religious overtones for years. You had better get your nose out of "classical islam", and see what it is becoming and has become.

I am amazed that you are unaware of the problems moslems have brought to European country's that liberal politician's invited in in droves. Apparently you don't follow current events very carefully, you should. You would have more credibility

 

[Faithofchristian]

Apparently you haven't read the foundational documents, of say, the moslem brotherhood, or seen the demands and court cases filed by CAIR,or are not aware that the largest islamic charity in the USA was shut down because it was funneling money to terrorism. I don't promote a version of taqiyya, I say it exist's in the moslem world, two very different concepts. I have known exactly 4 moslems in my life. Thy were good people. You, like many, want to muddy the water by saying that people who speak of principles, idea's, and acts are somehow committing judgement against individual people, which is utter nonsense. I judge people, ALL people based upon how they present themselves to me, and others, not related to any group dynamics. However, I might add that in my home town a moslem was given a job, given help and guidance in his job. His co workers held a baby shower for he and his wife, giving them gifts. They were rewarded by he and his wife showing up at a Christmas party and murdering 14 of them. Now, before you spout the liberal line " that is just a small number", you need to familiarize yourself with the plethora of polls taken of American moslems. The percentage that want criticism of ol' mo made a crime, the percentage that believe that forced FGM is appropriate, the percentage that want sharia in their communities, the percentage that want it legal to marry children that American law makesillegal, all of it. Reputable reliable polls by reputable polling agencies. When I was a kid, Bob Dylan sang a song with the following lyrics, " you don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind is blowing ". I know islam, historically, it's factions, it beliefs and it's morphing process that has brought it to today, I have studied it, as a political movement with religious overtones for years. You had better get your nose out of "classical islam", and see what it is becoming and has become.

I am amazed that you are unaware of the problems moslems have brought to European country's that liberal politician's invited in in droves. Apparently you don't follow current events very carefully, you should. You would have more credibility

I would like you to explain, Muslims are taught on their Q'uran at a very young age,

And in their q'uran and their Prophet Muhammad promote's lying and deceving.to get control over the infidels, which are those that are on the outside of Islam. So how can anyone take what Muslims will say, knowing that they are promoted by their Q'uran and their Prophet Muhammad, to lie and deceive the infidels.

 

[shmogie]

Well then. Time to go and find the real one.
Yours has to be an impostor., because all your tenets seem to be scewed away from the Jesus of Nazareth, the one who healed, and cared, and loved, and understood and forgave. The one who promoted love before all else.

That's not your Jesus....... no way. Yours has produced self-righteous judgemental bigots by the look of it.
....just sayin'.....

Christ certainly loved, healed, cared, and loved and understood and forgave. But all of these weren't just acts as ends in themselves., You like so many want to promote a Jesus of permissiveness and no sin, and if it feels good, do it. All of these acts were in love to bring people to the Kingdom of Heaven, on earth. He also said you had to pick up your cross and follow him, he also enunciated the principles of right and wrong, he also said that if people refused to accept his ENTIRE message, they were to be left to themselves and their own devices. He also said the words hell and judgement more than the word love. Your Jesus is a caricature, made as a 60's hippy where everything is love and good.The real Jesus had standards as well as love and forgiveness, they go together. That's why he said that many would come to him crying Lord, Lord, we did great things in your name, and he would say, get away from me, I never knew you. He also said the road was very wide foir the overwhelming majority on their way to perdition, and the true path was very narrow. Those that follow the hippy Jesus with the joint his mouth who says, do what you wantever man, no matter I love ya: and forgive ya" are on that very wide road.

 

[shmogie]

I would like you to explain, Muslims are taught on their Q'uran at a very young age,

And in their q'uran and their Prophet Muhammad promote's lying and deceving.to get control over the infidels, which are those that are on the outside of Islam. So how can anyone take what Muslims will say, knowing that they are promoted by their Q'uran and their Prophet Muhammad, to lie and deceive the infidels.

Moslems have the right, given to them by the Constitution to legally be in the USA. You also need to look at the hadith(s) to get a better scope of what they are taught. There are over 100 suras in the koran prescribing death or torture to the infidel. Taqqiyya in many moslem minds has become an acceptable lie to the infidel, regarding anything. This began in colonial times in moslem country's. I take what moslems say in the USA as President Reagan said of the Russians "trust but verify". As a Christian, you understand that to a greater or lesser extent, since the prophet came screaming out of the desert at the behest of his moon god, we have been in conflict with them because of his instructions and their aggression. You understand Biblical Prophecy and what is predicted, need I say more ?