American Muslims Are Now More Accepting Of Homosexuality Than White Evangelicals

[Grandliseur]

Let's get him to sign your bible, first.

That would just be dandy, wouldn't it! I'm of old Beserker blood anyway, a bit too old, if you ask me.

 

[oldbadger]

................... How is that pre judging , other than judging that I shouldn';t attend homosexual marriages because of my faith ?

Faith?
Because of your Faith?

You've prejudged because you haven't ever really thought all this through, and since Jesus never said a word against SSM you're clearly on the rocks over this.

Could we all see evidence from your Faith which causes you to be so judgemental about Gay Marriages that you could not attend one?

Let's face it........ if you can't show clear Christian law banning you from attending the marriage of gays then you're going to show us that you're prejudgiced.

 

[oldbadger]

.... This is based upon a judgement made by Paul, almost 2,000 years ago..........................

Ah ha! So at least you do acknowledge that Jesus never said a word against Gay Marriage.

So now it's just down to Paul, eh?
Could you show EXACTLY where Paul writes about this, please?

 

[oldbadger]

.............................................. An example of their activities from a couple of years ago will suffice, A reporter returning to Chicago stopped in a pizza restaurant in a small town. Seeing a cross on the wall, the reporter asked the woman in attendance if she was a Christian. The woman said yes. The reporter asked if the woman would serve homosexuals, she said she would. She was then asked if she would cater a homosexual wedding. The woman said her religion would prohibit her from doing so. This was a small family owned business that did not cater. The reporter wrote an article on the conversation in a Chicago paper. The restaurant was inundated with hate phone calls and death threats. Homosexuals arrived to harass customers and block the entrance to the restaurant. A chicago lesbian attempted to recruit others to help her burn down the business. THIS is the gaystopo at work, completely documented

The world is full of nasty people. Anybody who terrifies, bullies, attacks, threatens or hurts others should be put away.

It's just so sad that this poor misinformed lady, filled with bad-un-Christian bigotry when she could be filled with beautiful Christian love and understanding took notice of bad tenets which are incorrect when she could have increased her business, met some (mostly) nice new customers and had a happy experience.

 

[Notanumber]

As to the gaystopo , this is a generalized term referring to particularly abusive and/or viloent homosexuals or their supporters. An example of their activities from a couple of years ago will suffice, A reporter returning to Chicago stopped in a pizza restaurant in a small town. Seeing a cross on the wall, the reporter asked the woman in attendance if she was a Christian. The woman said yes. The reporter asked if the woman would serve homosexuals, she said she would. She was then asked if she would cater a homosexual wedding. The woman said her religion would prohibit her from doing so. This was a small family owned business that did not cater. The reporter wrote an article on the conversation in a Chicago paper. The restaurant was inundated with hate phone calls and death threats. Homosexuals arrived to harass customers and block the entrance to the restaurant. A chicago lesbian attempted to recruit others to help her burn down the business. THIS is the gaystopo at work, completely documented

The double standards that are endemic in the West would have ensured that this woman and her business would have been untouchable if she had the presence of mind to say that she followed the Islamic doctrine.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Ah ha! So at least you do acknowledge that Jesus never said a word against Gay Marriage.

So now it's just down to Paul, eh?
Could you show EXACTLY where Paul writes about this, please?

The reason Paul was compelled to write the book of Romans, Was that the Romans were in committing the act of homosexualit. You can see that in the book of Romans chapter 1.

Also Jesus was against homosexualit and gay marriage.for common sense well tell you that if Jesus was against homosexualit then Jesus was against gay marriage.

Look Jesus speaking, saying, "Have you not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female.

And said For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and cleave to his wife, and they two shall be one flesh"
Matthew 19:4-5

It was Jesus in the beginning that made them male and female.and instituted Marriage between male and female.
Man and woman.

That pretty much sums it up, Jesus is against homosexualit and gay marriage.

Jesus is God in the flesh.Therefore Jesus is God created all things in earth and in heaven.

For if Jesus "God" spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto Judgment, and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an
example unto those that after should live ungodly. 2 Peter 2:4,6

There Lay's Sodom And Gomorrah as a example to those.

That even in the book of Judges
chapters 19,20 God destroyed the tribe of Benjamin of Israel except 600 people. for committing homosexualit.

If God did not spare his own, do you really believe God will spare those, who are committing this homosexualit ?

 

[Augustus]

Really ? Taqiyya is a method of mis truth or misdirection used by the believer when he feels threatened because of his faith or aspects of his faith or to defend others of the faith., That is my definition, please give me the correct definition if I am wrong.

Taqiyya is presented by some as a significant doctrine that encourages Muslims to lie and decieve at all times. Consequently they are not to be trusted on anything.

In reality, it's a minor point that countless Muslims are not even aware of applicable to a very limited set of circumstances. Something similar exists in Judaism also, and probably other religions too.

What it means is when under threat of harm (for example forced conversion), you can say things you don't believe without them being counted as sins. An example for Islamic history would be during the mihna, where many people were forced to agree that the Qurans was created rather than uncreated. Apostasy under duress is not counted as apostasy.

You quickly slid over the acts and statements of the "prophet" and others in the hadith(s), it is not silent on the subject at all, as you seem to imply.

No I didn't, I just pointed out there was very little in the Quran, and Islamic jurisprudence is far more complex than you seem to believe as the article I linked to explains.

you said "Lets look at some indisputable facts. Any alleged moslem who is "tolerant" of homosexuals can be only one of two things, practicing taqyya, or not a real moslem."

Aside from being a 'no true Scotsman' fallacy, it misuses the term taqiyya and misunderstands Islamic law.

Only a few words, but a whole lot of wrong.

 

[Faithofchristian]

So, in other words, prejudice is pre judging and forming an opinion based upon that judgement. I have already said I will not go to a homosexual wedding because of religious conviction. This is based upon a judgement made by Paul, almost 2,000 years ago. Marriage is to be between one man and one woman only, anything else is religiously illegitimate. I am just following instructions.

As to the gaystopo , this is a generalized term referring to particularly abusive and/or viloent homosexuals or their supporters. An example of their activities from a couple of years ago will suffice, A reporter returning to Chicago stopped in a pizza restaurant in a small town. Seeing a cross on the wall, the reporter asked the woman in attendance if she was a Christian. The woman said yes. The reporter asked if the woman would serve homosexuals, she said she would. She was then asked if she would cater a homosexual wedding. The woman said her religion would prohibit her from doing so. This was a small family owned business that did not cater. The reporter wrote an article on the conversation in a Chicago paper. The restaurant was inundated with hate phone calls and death threats. Homosexuals arrived to harass customers and block the entrance to the restaurant. A chicago lesbian attempted to recruit others to help her burn down the business. THIS is the gaystopo at work, completely documented

You said your convictions is base upon a judgement made by Paul almost 2.000 yrs ago. Marriage is to be between one man and one woman.
You know Christ Jesus himself, also established that Marriage is between one man and one woman, in the book of Matthew 19:4-6.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Their ideology could mean if not today, tomorrow or their future generations could be a threat.

Non Christians say that about Christians, though.

We accept the homosexual. We do not accept homosexuality.

I can accept (certain) Christians. I can no longer accept Christianity.

I accept the christian, sometimes. I do not accept christianity.

Dang, beat me to it.

We accept sinners just like Christ did. We do not accept sin just as Christ did not.

But the kicker is: "is sin being labeled appropriately?".

On ignore list.

Out of curiosity, was annoying you the poster's sin? I mean, you weren't putting the person on ignore, just the posts?

Christianity: teaching to die for our beliefs in one breath and be a complete snowflake in another

But it seems that Muslims function best in a secularly governed country.
And this is so for other (all) religions.

Yeah, theocracy is the problem.

ay in about 50 yrs you go and see who has populated, you find the homosexualls are still just two people, no population there.

And you go to the man and woman, you would find that they have populated.

Quality over quantity.

Who was God talking to ? Man and woman or two homosexualls ?

A dirt man and his strangely cloned twin.

I could fill site's servers to overflowing with images of hateful, screeching, ugly Muslims holding up "Death to America"

I can do the same for Christians.

Or, how about this, I wouldn't go to a homosexual wedding, does that make me a hater ?

Only if you gladly go to the weddings of other sinners.

Two psychopaths who will end up breeding and burning their kids to death: Marriage celebrated.

Two loving gay people: Marriage despised.

Huh?

God created sex acts to occur, and be enjoyed, only within the very narrow confines, sanctity, and protection of a formal marriage between a man and woman?

The restaurant was inundated with hate phone calls and death threats. Homosexuals arrived to harass customers and block the entrance to the restaurant. A chicago lesbian attempted to recruit others to help her burn down the business. THIS is the gaystopo at work, completely documented

Not this store, I guess

Not these clinics, I guess

That pretty much sums it up, Jesus is against homosexualit and gay marriage.

He's not really for any marriage, or do you have a wife in mind?

and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes

What did Gomorrah do? The entire story just takes place in Sodom. That's like nuking Washington DC for something New York City did.

Also, Jesus mentions that Sodom and Gomorrah are to be going to heaven ahead of lots of "good" people.

 

[Faithofchristian]

You know it is said by many Christians that are taught in the churches, Love the sinner, but hate the sin.

The question is, how do you separate the sin from the one committing the sin?

Let's take a woman who is pregnant with a baby.
As long as that woman is pregnant, she is called pregnant, but the minute she has the baby, she is no longer pregnant and can not be called pregnant.

The same with a homosexual, as long as they are homosexual, they can be called homosexual. But the minute they give up the homosexual, they can not be called a homosexual.

The same with a sinner, as long as they stay in sin, they are called a sinner.

But the minute they give up that sin, they can not be called a sinner.

You can not separate the sin from the sinner, as long as they Carrie the sin, they are a sinner.

The same, as long as a pregnant woman, Carrie the baby, she is pregnant, but when she gives up the baby, she is no longer pregnant and no longer can be called pregnant.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I see you have an open mind on Christian behavior! Ha.

I do not belong to any denomination or church on this earth. I never had a problem when I did belong with this issue.

I began to see that their dogma was off; they didn't like that, and I didn't want to sit like a statue during their coming together without being able to say anything, I also didn't want to cause fiction; so, I left.

My belief is that you "never had a problem when I did belong with this issue" only because you were blind to it. Blinded by your own sense of holiness. And your third paragraph above only reinforces this picture for me. Take a look at what you said... "I began to see that their dogma was off; they didn't like that". Isn't this the EXACT sort of thing I was describing? You were judging them... judging the way in which they worshiped, and (*GASP!*) they didn't like it? Seriously?!?!111!! Come on now... "I also didn't want to cause [friction]" - remember me saying something about not wanting to "rock the boat?" Exactly the same in meaning.

Are you quite sure you have no idea what I was talking about? Seems to me like you have definitive, proven, first-hand experience.

 

[Muffled]

This was interesting to learn:
American Muslims Are Now More Accepting Of Homosexuality Than White Evangelicals
Muslims 'accept homosexuality more than evangelical Christians'

I believe Muslims are not saved from their sin.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I believe Muslims are not saved from their sin.[/QUOTF

Muslims have no idea what sin is.
Muslims have no idea who Jesus is.
Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet.
Muslims have no idea what being saved is.
Muslims have no idea what baptism is.
Muslims have no idea why Jesus came for.
Muslims have no idea what repent means.
Muslims have no idea what the Holy Spirit is.
And the list goes on ---------ect.?

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

I can do the same for Christians.

And even if you could, do two wrongs make a right? And last I looked, we haven't cheered as some Christians flew airplanes into skyscrapers in an Islamic country. Neither is there a passage in the Bible equivalent to this:

Quran (9:29):
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "

Nor are Christians (in any significant numbers) trying to establish a Christian theocracy by force in a Muslim country. And I'm not defending Christianity per se, since I'm not a Christian.

You might have had a point 1000 years ago.

 

[oldbadger]

Jesus is God in the flesh.Therefore Jesus is God created all things in earth and in heaven.

For if Jesus "God" spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto Judgment, and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an
example unto those that after should live ungodly. 2 Peter 2:4,6

There Lay's Sodom And Gomorrah as a example to those.

That even in the book of Judges
chapters 19,20 God destroyed the tribe of Benjamin of Israel except 600 people. for committing homosexualit.

If God did not spare his own, do you really believe God will spare those, who are committing this homosexualit ?

Got it! This explains so much to me!
So Jesus made the heavens and Earth, and Adam and Eve?
So it was Jesus who drowned nearly every living creature and person in the World with a Flood. It was Jesus who killed thousands of little Egyptian babies that night. It was Jesus who ordered the 'out-of-hand' killing of many neighbouring tribes, and who burned so many. The bringer of the sword and death.

Now I see how some so-called Christians are so hateful and violent.
Got it.

 

[oldbadger]

Colour me confused...

Ummmm...... on this thread you might have to have a rainbow tie-pin or something.

 

[oldbadger]

Perhaps. Nevertheless, that is not what they want. I refer to France, Germany and Britain as evidence.

Rubbish!
Catholics and Protestants killed many more of each other here in the UK than the total combined incidents caused by a few extremist Islamic Terrorists.

Come and visit...... our Muslims are mostly very nice folks.

 

[DavidFirth]

Rubbish!
Catholics and Protestants killed many more of each other here in the UK than the total combined incidents caused by a few extremist Islamic Terrorists.

Come and visit...... our Muslims are mostly very nice folks.

But don't go to an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester...

 

[shmogie]

Faith?
Because of your Faith?

You've prejudged because you haven't ever really thought all this through, and since Jesus never said a word against SSM you're clearly on the rocks over this.

Could we all see evidence from your Faith which causes you to be so judgemental about Gay Marriages that you could not attend one?

Let's face it........ if you can't show clear Christian law banning you from attending the marriage of gays then you're going to show us that you're prejudgiced.

Whoa ! Jesus never said a word about animal cruelty, necrophelia, ponzi schemes or climate change either. So.in your world, anything that Jesus did;nt mention is subject to your complete and total self interpretation ? He did say that marriage was between a man and woman, multiple times. Is it even the tiniest bit possible that that was his sole and complete definition of marriage period ? If not, why didn;t he say just a little more ? Was he being purposely obtuse ? Of course not. ergo, marriage is between one man, and one woman, only. Therefore, religiously, because of what Christ said, a homosexual wedding cannot be a wedding, it is a travesty of his intent. Civil law provides for these kinds of weddings, but it cannot compel me to attend. In the religious sense, I do not accept what the civil authorities have granted. Attendance at a wedding is participation in it. In the religious sense, I cannot participate in a rite defined by Christ, that is contrary to his definition. Consequently it would be totally wrong to participate, to attend, and I will not. You could say that I have pre judged participation in homosexual weddings as wrong, for me, since everyone else is not of concern to me on this matter. Of course. this doesn;t reflect Pauls words, which are just as clear, but Christś words clinch the matter

 

[shmogie]

Taqiyya is presented by some as a significant doctrine that encourages Muslims to lie and decieve at all times. Consequently they are not to be trusted on anything.

In reality, it's a minor point that countless Muslims are not even aware of applicable to a very limited set of circumstances. Something similar exists in Judaism also, and probably other religions too.

What it means is when under threat of harm (for example forced conversion), you can say things you don't believe without them being counted as sins. An example for Islamic history would be during the mihna, where many people were forced to agree that the Qurans was created rather than uncreated. Apostasy under duress is not counted as apostasy.




No I didn't, I just pointed out there was very little in the Quran, and Islamic jurisprudence is far more complex than you seem to believe as the article I linked to explains.

you said "Lets look at some indisputable facts. Any alleged moslem who is "tolerant" of homosexuals can be only one of two things, practicing taqyya, or not a real moslem."

Aside from being a 'no true Scotsman' fallacy, it misuses the term taqiyya and misunderstands Islamic law. Perhaps, but many moslems believe taqiyya is carte blanche to lie to the infidel about anything. So, since I did, and do understand what it means, perhaps you ought to be correcting these misguided followers of ẗhe ¨ religion of peace¨ rather than me. My original statement stands, perfectly accurate

Only a few words, but a whole lot of wrong.