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Americans ?!?!?

Are you American?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 54 66.7%
  • No!

    Votes: 27 33.3%

  • Total voters
    81

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
If it seems weird it's only because you gave it to us!:p
And we both took what the Germans gave us, with it's nearly entirely consistent pronunciation and spelling, and messed that up along the way.

And the frenchies! Bits of Celtic. Lumps of Norse... A touch of everything, really. Nice and pure! :D
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Wot!!! :eek: Yer darn't says 'whilst'..... whilst we does?
yu loy darn't tork propper. :D

Yeah, haha.

I was once in a supermarket with my sister and she wanted to buy some of those as well but unfortunately we couldn't find fresh ones. Some times they c...

Wait, you're talking about pineapple, aren't you?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Oddities:
- I'm the ounly Americastanian whou uses a Britishistanian wourd processour!
(BOS Writer V6.0, ca 1986)
- I'm the only collector of Britishistanian anvils (1600s-1800s) here.
- I'm the only collector of Britishistanian machine tools (1810-1890s) here.
- I'm one of many Triumph motorcycle fans here. (Mine is a 1970 650 Tiger.)
- I drink warm beer. (Refrigerator made by Lucas, you know.)

I know what ya'll are thinking.
And yes....I'm Mr Excitement!

OMG....... we might as well send you a passport!
.... and you need to start drinking tea like this:-
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
OMG....... we might as well send you a passport!
.... and you need to start drinking tea like this:-
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I could never be a true Brit....I can't get interested enuf in soccer
(what you mistakenly call "football") to get violent about it.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Hmm...

First of all, I take that as a compliment :D

I've never been to any English speaking country in my life.

As for speakers (people, not car stereo speakers, hehe), I've been seeking opportunities to practice my English with those who can, so at restaurants for example I speak English if I find the attendant a non Arab (many Filipinos and Indians here). I then joined the English department and learned some more of the English language elements, but unfortunately no good practice was achieved from there. Then finally after graduation I joined a construction company where they needed someone with English skills because so many employees there can't speak Arabic, and to coordinate with external correspondence (suppliers, sub-contractors, etc.) that most of the time is in English. Been there for 8 years now, and that boosted my English skills greatly. And well, almost non of the above related people were actually native English speakers so I almost always stood out :D. My love for technology, video games and cartoons (ehm) and interest in other cultures helped a lot too. I kinda find my self more open to foreigners than my own people, dunno why.

Yeah, generally speaking, I learned English with personal efforts :)

I understand having so may stereotypes against Saudis, or Arabs and Muslims in general. One of the reasons, a major one if not the main reason, is the language. Saudis are really really bad in the multi-language department. There are so many Saudis that are even more reasonable than me, but they fail to share this with the rest of the world simply because they can't, and sometimes don't wanna :(. If we look at my case, here I am, sharing stuff with all of you guys and some others actually said it to me before you did that they found things from me they didn't expect :)

Language is the way of which (or is it "with or in which"?) people communicate and understand each other (oh really, smart @$$) :D

Thank you for that info. Saudi Arabia is one place I have trouble visualizing how daily life works. Here are some embarrassingly naive questions.

Can a woman go walking about on her own?

What if someone does not want to be a Muslim?

I know there are millions of non-Saudi nationals there. Do the non-Saudi women have to follow the legal dress code for women?

I know there's no alcohol..Are tea houses common? Can women go to these or are they separate? What about a husband and wife? Are there family areas?

What's your opinion of the Saudi social conventions westerners find strange?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I could never be a true Brit....I can't get interested enuf in soccer
(what you mistakenly call "football") to get violent about it.

No no no no Noooo!
People who collect 19th century tools and ride 20th century motorcycles don't 'do' football....... they does cricket on yer village green on Saturday and Sunday afternoons. And they drinks tea. All very proper. The fact that they all go off wife-swapping in the evenings does not require compulsory attendance.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Thank you for that info. Saudi Arabia is one place I have trouble visualizing how daily life works. Here are some embarrassingly naive questions.

Can a woman go walking about on her own?
Yes. But they generally don't unless they coverup transportation (taxis or private drivers) because the weather here is really bad that even men don't wanna walk out in. If they target in-doors places, they do go walk to it if it is near by. I sometimes drive my mother and sisters where they wont and come back to them later. Like a hired driver :). It is a misconception that women must only go out to public places with a relative man.

What if someone does not want to be a Muslim?
Non Muslim residents/visitors are found around where I live, and no one gets in their way. I actually have some Christian co-workers and we get along very well. One of the big managers in my company is a Christian Palestinian.

I know there are millions of non-Saudi nationals there. Do the non-Saudi women have to follow the legal dress code for women?
I guess :). Not sure about the rules, but I do see all non-Saudi women mostly wear a long modest cape at least. They wear different colors, some of them don't cover their heads, all of them don't cover their faces... I don't see anyone say anything to them. That's around the part I live in. I guess the best way to know better is to directly ask a non-Saudi women, preferably a non-Muslim. I know none, and don't dare to ask anyways :p

I know there's no alcohol..Are tea houses common? Can women go to these or are they separate? What about a husband and wife? Are there family areas?
Yup, cafes are everywhere around here. There are singles and families divisions, the singles' div. is for men only and the families' is for either families or for women. Some places only have families' div., many actually if we include other public places, so it is kinda sexist against men. I face difficulties in this department :)

What's your opinion of the Saudi social conventions westerners find strange?
I think that Saudi Arabia is strict and I don't blame those criticizing it. Regulations here are kinda oppressive but not to the limit that makes it a living hell like people might think. I'd say that our culture and customs are so different in a way that others could find offensive, but they generally work just fine with me and other Saudis. The only problem is the radial actions from time to time but they don't usually affect our daily lives. Kinda like occasional accidents that happen in the West from time to time. I'd say it is not a fun place to live for those seeking absolute freedom, but to those modest and systematic, it is a good place.

You're welcome :)

Yup, I can imagine why. And no, those questions make complete sense asked about Saudi Arabia :)

Answers to your questions are in blue in the quote. Enjoy :)

..... you....... you think I might have a chance?

If you don't have a chance, I'd be a monkey's uncle... and I'm not :p
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
You're welcome :)

Yup, I can imagine why. And no, those questions make complete sense asked about Saudi Arabia :)

Answers to your questions are in blue in the quote. Enjoy :)

I did enjoy your answers in blue, Thanks my friend. One of my previous stereotypes was that you couldn't communicate with a Saudi who can speak both western and Saudi cultures openly. I am going to take advantage of you further in asking some further curiosities.

Is the internet open to the average Saudi. Could just any Saudi get on RF and discuss with westerners? Does the government restrict or frown on it in some way?

What if a native Saudi person decided he does not want to be a Muslim but an Advaitan Hindu?

You spoke of how non-Saudi women often don't cover their heads or faces. Does it get touchy with how do people and police know if they are non-Saudi? Do police or any enforcing agency get involved with a woman's dress often or only on rare occasion? I'm guessing 99.9% of the time people are sensible to the culture so there's only rarely an issue.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
I did enjoy your answers in blue, Thanks my friend. One of my previous stereotypes was that you couldn't communicate with a Saudi who can speak both western and Saudi cultures openly. I am going to take advantage of you further in asking some further curiosities.

Cool :)

As in Saudis being over protective or something? Hmm... Maybe, not sure :). But I'm open to this, which is what matters now I believe :)

Okay, back to the blues, shall we? (unless you prefer another color (or colour) :cool:

Is the internet open to the average Saudi. Could just any Saudi get on RF and discuss with westerners? Does the government restrict or frown on it in some way?
Yes, the internet is generally allowed to everyone here. However, being a reserved and protective country, pornography is censored, plus some aggressive religious and political pages. RF is fully open here, although it is religious. I think this means it is not considered an aggressive religious website by the Saudi Gov. Well, some members are aggressive, heh :cover:. Just lately, they started to block torrent websites to protect copy rights. Acts that have the potential to hurt public security are warned about by the government, but I never experienced or heard of any results so far. I've been doing so many naughty stuff and nothing happened to me. I think they don't mind naughty acts done privately, and they never actually warned about it. But don't expect much Saudi to participate here, not because of the law, but because of the language. The Saudis I find know English, I find them so serious and devoted (not religiously) to their jobs and don't spend time having fun on the internet like I do.

What if a native Saudi person decided he does not want to be a Muslim but an Advaitan Hindu?
Never faced similar case, but from the looks of it I'm afraid it not accepted here :(. This place was built on a strict Islaamic move ment called Wah habi (I'm not, btw) that gave my people too much trouble. Islaam, as I believe in it, allows the free dom of religion but here this is not the case. I can't say much more. It could get me in trouble. I intentionally made those spelling mistakes :rolleyes:.

You spoke of how non-Saudi women often don't cover their heads or faces. Does it get touchy with how do people and police know if they are non-Saudi? Do police or any enforcing agency get involved with a woman's dress often or only on rare occasion? I'm guessing 99.9% of the time people are sensible to the culture so there's only rarely an issue.
I don't have enough experience in this to give a good answer. But I'll try to use my humble limited amount of experience in it. In shopping malls I see Westerners enjoying the place, loudly sometimes, and no one says anything to them. Two female guest in different times, or more if I remember correctly, visited my work place for meetings and it went just fine and they didn't seem troubled when they first came, which gave the impression they didn't face any problem coming all the way here. All of them had their faces uncovered and some of them just had covers just resting on their heads without wearing them like hijabs. And yeah, as I see it, I see they respect this culture and try to follow the customs as much as they can. I believe this is good enough to not have trouble with the police, eh?

Do I know you from before? You're an old member here, but I just came in touch with you recently.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
OK, now you've got me interested.

Smart Guy
Yes, the internet is generally allowed to everyone here. However, being a reserved and protective country, pornography is censored.
But doesn't censoring pornography effectively remove 2/3 of the web content -- leaving only cat videos and a few, scattered chat sites remaining?:D
 
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Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
OK, now you've got me interested.

But doesn't censoring pornography effectively remove 2/3 of the web content -- leaving only cat videos and a few, scattered chat sites remaining?:D

Well, guess we'll have to be content with the remaining 1/3 :)

Unless it's Smart Guy we are talking about!

No internet censoring can stand on my way :angel2:
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member

I'm really learning things from this conversation. Thanks and thanks again.

As in Saudis being over protective or something? Hmm... Maybe, not sure :). But I'm open to this, which is what matters now I believe :)

It just seemed to me like Saudi society is so different and I can't get my head fully around what everyday life looks like there.

Do I know you from before? You're an old member here, but I just came in touch with you recently.

I've seen you on here before but we seem to be interested in different threads. So if you were one of the atheists you would have come to dislike me by now:D

OK, more questions....

Let's say, in his head, a Saudi changes to a Hindu worldview. If he doesn't outwardly change no one will know of course. What are the outward signs people and government notice? Prayer? fasting at Ramadan? Other requirements? What are the minimums the person would have to do to stay out of trouble?


Those western women you talked about in the shopping mall and being loud. Were they in western dress or in a more relaxed Muslim dress?
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Here's a language question: If "Z" is supposed to be spoken as "zed" instead of "zee" because of zeta. Then shouldn't "B" be spoken as "bed" instead of "bee" cause of beta?
 
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