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An atheist, lefthanded polytheist, and a Muslim go in to a bar

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Then there is also no "gods", right?

Ah, but of course they are. They are beyond our limited perception, non-dual or not. They choose to interact with their worshippers on occasion (I would certainly know), but ultimately they are always just beyond reach. And ones experience of them, is one of a unifying experience. You become that God/dess, temporarily. And they you.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
If you are not part of an oppressed group then there are certain words or jokes that they use that others cannot really use without looking like a bigot.

A white person will get into trouble using jokes with the "N" word in them. Atheists are so often falsely accused of being evil that they can joke about eating babies. Muslims are often falsely accused of being terrorists. So Muslims can joke about being terrorists, others are probably showing that they are bigots when the claim that. Atheists can joke about eating babies, and black people can use the "N" word when talking about themselves. I am sure that there are other examples.

The general rule is that it is fine to stereotype yourself. Do not stereotype others.
:cool::cool::cool:
Perfectly explained

I was about to tell @Link "next time when you tell this joke, you better say @stvdv eats the babies"
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
Show me anyone thinking atheists eat babies and takes that as "majority"?
My first thought reading your OP was:
This is a "response" (reaction) to all the threads about abortion of babies. To kill, to abort, to eat babies being the joke

Note: Today is the first time I read about atheists "eating" babies, so I guess I missed out on those posts.

But even if so, then @Subduction Zone made a clear point "Atheists can make such a joke".

Although, I also like "Freedom of Speech", and I would be happy if Muslims, like you, also "like Freedom of Speech", but then Muslims should not (threaten to) kill those that make Muhammad jokes

Seeing you make this your joke, I think that you agree, that it's okay for Westerners to make "Muhammad jokes", right?

And if that is the case then probably your Atheist joke is okay also. Then the whole world can relax a bit when jokes are made, and laugh a bit more (esp. when it's added "this is a joke")

But still, I would make the joke only "at my own expense", to be sure not to hurt others
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
And when I say there is no "I" I mean that the self and ones personality don't exist. That what you percieve as "you" is just another creation, a construct.
Hence I said "then there are no gods, right"

If there is no personality, who is there to say or claim "gods or God exist, or not"? There only is nothingness? consciousness? Nirvana?

No I, no ego, no personality, that means no concepts, no one to create boxes and labels; not even God or gods, right?

But first identification with body, mind etc needs to drop "dead", before "there is no I".

Till then we have a myriad of gods and goddesses to play their Leela on us, so we forget about "there is no I"
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
First time I see that "word", Thanks

Well, I "liked" the joke (hence my "not true" response), and definitely a big improvement on the usual "sending many to Hell for eternity or worse"

We have comedians in Holland, like politicians debating, who make far more cynical, sarcastical jokes...oh, and they are not joking even.

What does mmk mean? Mmk is a casual, half-humming way to say OK. It is a versatile sound, used to express mild disproval and suspicion … or warm affirmation. Be careful, though, as mmk can come across as a little patronizing or rude
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
No I, no ego, no personality, that means no concepts, no one to create boxes and labels; not even God or gods, right?

The concepts are there, they are just indescibable, ineffable. Completely without words. Imo

The Gods are doorways and portals to this way of ineffable being. As you said the divine play of Lila.

That doesn't mean that the Gods and Goddeses as experienced aren't there. Only that once dead, there is nothing left of "me" to experience them anymore.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
The atheist says "let's eat a cooked baby, mmm my favorite" , the lefthanded polytheist is shocked but condones it, "there is no right or wrong, if that's what you want, then do it", the Muslim kills both when they followed through "life for a life".

The news the next day "Muslim terrorist kills two".

I'm joking, but on a serious note:

Atheists:


I will start with atheists. Atheists emphasize God existed, he can present clear proofs of himself and even create the world without harm. They are correct. Both of these notions, that every soul be given it's guidance and not a soul go astray including Iblis, was possible. And that God could have created the world with day of judgment type proof from the start to end, and no one would doubt God.

Also they are correct, in that, miracles use to be in the open but now with technology reaching it's peak, they are no longer here. Why aren't miracles in the open requires a rational explanation, and can't just be said "just because".

God is hiding apparently more in this century with no new revelation that has miracles of a performer, unlike the claims of the past. This needs an explanation.

Polytheists


Magical unseen world is real, and there is energy everywhere. There are hidden beings who have immense power and are part of how we develop. Everyone is a psychic, some just realize it more then others and can intensify their powers and some of it through help of unseen entities.

Some of these polytheists don't believe in a Creator, but believe in magic and that these sentient beings exist along with us and are related to our psyche and spiritual world. Some of these polytheists do believe in a Creator and see these are "lesser gods".

Left handed

If there is no absolute connectors to God that have divine proof of their path to God and point to God in provable way, there is no good and evil as there is no one straight path.

If there is no one path that is proven and connected us to us, there is many ways to be, and we all have to embrace our own will and our own way, and there is no correct way, there is just us analyzing the situation and acting to what we will.

We embrace our choices and go forward, since there is no correct path, only the path we have chosen so must embrace our choices.

We can seek help of the "gods" "demi-gods" or "angels" or whatever you call them, if there is no absolute one God and a provable path to him, to help forge our path, but we there is one way over another, and so they help us forge and walk our own path.

My belief


The Imam is connected to all things, his light covers all living things, his telepathy judgment shames us when we do evil, and the so called "Angel" that polytheists deem the spiritual guide of the individual who attacks the Imam light as "harsh" and "judgmental" is from Iblis and that so called "Angel" is also what wants us to embrace sexual deviant sins as a way of "freeing us" from "control of the Imam who is a dark powerful sorcerer" in the evil demons and evil sorcerers view.

The Quran reminds of the true light from God, and in a way, that teaches us to see things with mental clarity. It also works in conjunction with the Imam's powers and Angels under him, and has magical effects, when God is feared, to annul the dark sorcery of Iblis step by step.

My view, if we are left to ourselves, we will pick falsehood, but if God's grace helps us, we have a chance to choose the truth.

Satan calls, this all his magic power is, it's a call, a psychological call and pull. He intoxicates an evil type of joy, when you chase his illusions, and it seems rewarding, but it's an illusion, a ploy.

A problem with left-handed path in my view, is that hardest thing to decide is what we want. We might not realize our truest wishes, and the "I" may not be mostly us deciding, but a companion from Satan deciding and "guiding" us towards dark illusionary world. It maybe even more "responsible" for our misguidance, then us, although, we too are responsible.

Sure, if there is no right or wrong, this may seem harmless, but who is to say there is none, and no accountability? Simply wishing it away won't make it become that way.

The Imam is connection that brings true power and sustenance from God. The sustenance of God not only lasts, but is "better" then what the devils and the illusionary desires call to. It's pleasure is higher, it's honor is higher, time wise, it's forever.

The Imam though is a straight path to God. God won't be arrived at no matter what we go to, this notion is false. We have to go up, and there is only going down if not ascending through God's path.

There is a right way, which is love the true God and not make up God and the path per our desires and fleeting illusionary wishes.

As for the atheist and proofs. The Imam is a hidden proof, so that every soul can be rewarded for what it strives for. So that there can be meaning to who we are with respect to God.

And as for miracles, it's because of the hostility the Imams faced, they are hidden today. But they will be shown whenever a jinn or human is ready for it, and won't rebel, it will be shown.

Highest unseen signs will also be opened up if a soul wants to journey to God and can be connected to by the Imam of time to that reality and won't accuse him of sorcery upon the "vision" of the person.

I bite babies. I don't care who's baby it is, if they allow me to, I will bite them.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The atheist says "let's eat a cooked baby, mmm my favorite" , the lefthanded polytheist is shocked but condones it, "there is no right or wrong, if that's what you want, then do it", the Muslim kills both when they followed through "life for a life".

The news the next day "Muslim terrorist kills two".
Let's face it, a lot of Muslim terrorists worked hard to set that joke up.
Atheists emphasize God existed, he can present clear proofs of himself and even create the world without harm.
Speaking as a nonbeliever rather than an atheist, I start where I always start ─ what real entity, one with objective existence, found in the world external to the self, do you intend to denote when you say "God"?

If one day someone gives a coherent answer to that, we may be able to have a discussion about God.

Meanwhile the only manner in which gods are known to exist is as concepts /things imagined in individual brains.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Who is this "One" that masters death?
Who is this "One" that masters self?

The physical incarnation you're stuck with :)

No matter how hard we try to seperate the 3 (body, mind, spirit), it will always be there to reform, when we "wake up".

We are as much of this world as the next.
The liminal human walks the razors edge of this world and the next.

Edit: the self masters death, to its own extinction. And when that is done. The self returns.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
The physical incarnation you're stuck with :)
Yes, until body identification is totally gone, according to the Indian Scriptures

Explanation:
I read examples of Saints totally lost in Bliss while meditating, not conscious of the body anymore... hence...no drinking, no eating....body identification really gone... hence, death of physical incarnation... forever released from the cycle of birth and death... hence, highest goal of human incarnation reached

This solves all my big questions in life

Note:
"Natural" death (99% of the people) naturally leads to a new incarnation
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
The atheist says "let's eat a cooked baby, mmm my favorite" , the lefthanded polytheist is shocked but condones it, "there is no right or wrong, if that's what you want, then do it", the Muslim kills both when they followed through "life for a life".

The news the next day "Muslim terrorist kills two".

I'm joking, but on a serious note:

Atheists:


I will start with atheists. Atheists emphasize God existed, he can present clear proofs of himself and even create the world without harm. They are correct. Both of these notions, that every soul be given it's guidance and not a soul go astray including Iblis, was possible. And that God could have created the world with day of judgment type proof from the start to end, and no one would doubt God.

Also they are correct, in that, miracles use to be in the open but now with technology reaching it's peak, they are no longer here. Why aren't miracles in the open requires a rational explanation, and can't just be said "just because".

God is hiding apparently more in this century with no new revelation that has miracles of a performer, unlike the claims of the past. This needs an explanation.

Polytheists


Magical unseen world is real, and there is energy everywhere. There are hidden beings who have immense power and are part of how we develop. Everyone is a psychic, some just realize it more then others and can intensify their powers and some of it through help of unseen entities.

Some of these polytheists don't believe in a Creator, but believe in magic and that these sentient beings exist along with us and are related to our psyche and spiritual world. Some of these polytheists do believe in a Creator and see these are "lesser gods".

Left handed

If there is no absolute connectors to God that have divine proof of their path to God and point to God in provable way, there is no good and evil as there is no one straight path.

If there is no one path that is proven and connected us to us, there is many ways to be, and we all have to embrace our own will and our own way, and there is no correct way, there is just us analyzing the situation and acting to what we will.

We embrace our choices and go forward, since there is no correct path, only the path we have chosen so must embrace our choices.

We can seek help of the "gods" "demi-gods" or "angels" or whatever you call them, if there is no absolute one God and a provable path to him, to help forge our path, but we there is one way over another, and so they help us forge and walk our own path.

My belief


The Imam is connected to all things, his light covers all living things, his telepathy judgment shames us when we do evil, and the so called "Angel" that polytheists deem the spiritual guide of the individual who attacks the Imam light as "harsh" and "judgmental" is from Iblis and that so called "Angel" is also what wants us to embrace sexual deviant sins as a way of "freeing us" from "control of the Imam who is a dark powerful sorcerer" in the evil demons and evil sorcerers view.

The Quran reminds of the true light from God, and in a way, that teaches us to see things with mental clarity. It also works in conjunction with the Imam's powers and Angels under him, and has magical effects, when God is feared, to annul the dark sorcery of Iblis step by step.

My view, if we are left to ourselves, we will pick falsehood, but if God's grace helps us, we have a chance to choose the truth.

Satan calls, this all his magic power is, it's a call, a psychological call and pull. He intoxicates an evil type of joy, when you chase his illusions, and it seems rewarding, but it's an illusion, a ploy.

A problem with left-handed path in my view, is that hardest thing to decide is what we want. We might not realize our truest wishes, and the "I" may not be mostly us deciding, but a companion from Satan deciding and "guiding" us towards dark illusionary world. It maybe even more "responsible" for our misguidance, then us, although, we too are responsible.

Sure, if there is no right or wrong, this may seem harmless, but who is to say there is none, and no accountability? Simply wishing it away won't make it become that way.

The Imam is connection that brings true power and sustenance from God. The sustenance of God not only lasts, but is "better" then what the devils and the illusionary desires call to. It's pleasure is higher, it's honor is higher, time wise, it's forever.

The Imam though is a straight path to God. God won't be arrived at no matter what we go to, this notion is false. We have to go up, and there is only going down if not ascending through God's path.

There is a right way, which is love the true God and not make up God and the path per our desires and fleeting illusionary wishes.

As for the atheist and proofs. The Imam is a hidden proof, so that every soul can be rewarded for what it strives for. So that there can be meaning to who we are with respect to God.

And as for miracles, it's because of the hostility the Imams faced, they are hidden today. But they will be shown whenever a jinn or human is ready for it, and won't rebel, it will be shown.

Highest unseen signs will also be opened up if a soul wants to journey to God and can be connected to by the Imam of time to that reality and won't accuse him of sorcery upon the "vision" of the person.

And the Christian will preach to them that they ae making God angry by killing without His permission. The he will forgive all three.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
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In the spirit there is no need for reality. Mind over matter only works with belief and belief is hard to come by.
 
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