An execution of wounded by Israeli soldier !

[Godobeyer]

A Nationality Code is not the 'code of the nation', it's the code governing who receives citizenship. It is distinct from a constitution.

I don't think so , but IF that true, I think they contradiction each other .

http://jta.org/news/article/2009/08/24/1007414/report-more-yemeni-jews-leaving-for-israel

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/157069#.UOzt8m_s6zo

Again pro-Iseal claims sources !!

What do you mean?

I mean was there any discrimination against them ?
especially demolish their homes ?

 

[metis]

Jews have fled out of Yemen literally for their lives, and let me also add that there are no Jews legally allowed in either the WB or the GS, so how can anyone here talk about "freedom" and not recognize the lack of freedom in those locations for Jews and others? Ever single time that Israel returned land back to the Palestinians, all they saw were more rockets and missiles aimed at Israeli civilians. So, why should Israel bend at all to Palestinean demands under these conditions? And the point is moot anyway since Abbas will not resume negotiations and Hamas has repeated called for the destruction of Israel.

Only when the Palestinean leaders change their tune will Israel reconsider, and there is no evidence of that happening.

 

[Godobeyer]

Its stopping to be funny.

You know apart from the occasionally kidnapping of a Jewish girl by Muslims, then converted and married to one of them. Nothing really serious.
Did you know that Israel...

I am serious not funny.


crimes happened , I am talking about Yemeni regime .

Yeah you can't control people.
Jews just need to accept that sometimes a switch in the heads of Muslims is pressed and they need to go to the Jewish quarter and come over for some rape, murder, kidnapping and torching.
Its just how these things are. Jews shouldn't be so whiny. Muslims love Jews! Except when the switch gets flipped.

Hate is exist , that for real.

blame Muslims , and making Jews like angels and victimes all time , is not fair , but it's funny for you ?

 

[Kirran]

I don't think so , but IF that true, I think they contradiction each other .

As it may be. But nevertheless, the Jews were denied rights in Algeria.

Again pro-Iseal claims sources !!

I mean was there any discrimination against them ?
especially demolish their homes ?

So all Israeli media is lying?

See other posts r.e. discrimination.

More generally: I do think that the Israeli government, or its current and recent incarnations, is doing some bad stuff in the West Bank. There is a marginalisation of the Palestinian people going on. But there are lots of factors which mitigate, if they don't entirely justify. There are very legitimate security concerns. But pushing more settlers in ain't gonna help anything. And Metis is totally right, Hamas wants to kill every Jew in the land and Fetah is corrupt and is no longer at the negotiating table, having really deteriorated from being somewhat more reasonable a generation ago.

Someone has to come out and make the first steps in the right direction, and both sides are gonna have to compromise.

 

[Godobeyer]

Jews have fled out of Yemen literally for their lives, and let me also add that there are no Jews legally allowed in either the WB or the GS, so how can anyone here talk about "freedom" and not recognize the lack of freedom in those locations for Jews and others? Ever single time that Israel returned land back to the Palestinians, all they saw were more rockets and missiles aimed at Israeli civilians. So, why should Israel bend at all to Palestinean demands under these conditions? And the point is moot anyway since Abbas will not resume negotiations and Hamas has repeated called for the destruction of Israel.

Only when the Palestinean leaders change their tune will Israel reconsider, and there is no evidence of that happening.

So freedom and safety of Jews which important than Arabs ?

Hamas called for destruction of Israel , but Israel practice the destruction of Palestine !!

Puting the whole blame on one side is not fair .

 

[Kirran]

So freedom and safety of Jews which important than Arabs ?

Hamas called for destruction of Israel , but Israel practice the destruction of Palestine !!

Puting the whole blame on one side is not fair .

Israel doesn't enact the slaughter of every Arab it can get its hands on, which is rather what much of the Hamas leadership advocates.

But on the bolded, yes, I agree.

You know what, can everyone here on the pro-Palestinian side say something they think is bad that the Palestinians or their government are doing, and everyone on the pro-Israel side say something bad Israelis or their government are doing here. I feel that'd be helpful.

 

[metis]

So freedom and safety of Jews which important than Arabs ?

Hamas called for destruction of Israel , but Israel practice the destruction of Palestine !!

Puting the whole blame on one side is not fair .

Wrong, and did not place the blame all on one side. Israel does not hit launch attacks unless it's attack, and any country would do as such if attacked. If the Palestinians don't want Israeli missiles and bombs hitting targets there, then I would suggest that they stop attacking Israel. It really is that simple. If you disagree, then don't whine when Israel responds to those rockets and missiles from Gaza.

 

[Godobeyer]

As it may be. But nevertheless, the Jews were denied rights in Algeria.

I give you original information , and you continous denying !!!
proof it to me from Algerian source, forget it .

let's suppose I give you fake information about UK , do you accept it as real ?

So all Israeli media is lying?

No of course .

See other posts r.e. discrimination.

More generally: I do think that the Israeli government, or its current and recent incarnations, is doing some bad stuff in the West Bank. There is a marginalisation of the Palestinian people going on. But there are lots of factors which mitigate, if they don't entirely justify. There are very legitimate security concerns. But pushing more settlers in ain't gonna help anything. And Metis is totally right, Hamas wants to kill every Jew in the land and Fetah is corrupt and is no longer at the negotiating table, having really deteriorated from being somewhat more reasonable a generation ago.

Someone has to come out and make the first steps in the right direction, and both sides are gonna have to compromise.

You are lucky that your mother lived there , just remember what he said , because she was witness, had life experience, about how much Palestinians suffered in West Bank.

 

[Kirran]

I give you original information , and you continous denying !!!
proof it to me from Algerian source, forget it .

let's suppose I give you fake information about UK , do you accept it as real ?.

You have thus far not shown me the Algerian Nationality code of 1963, which is cited in many places as having this restriction.

Well, you just said the information was fake, so I like to think not. But if you give me fair reason to believe some information, then I don't see why I wouldn't believe it - I feel no particular pro-UK bias that I'm aware of. It's just one more country, that I happened to be born in. I have no loyalty to it.

No of course .

So why immediately condemn it on that account?

You are lucky that your mother lived there , just remember what he said , because she was witness, had life experience, about how much Palestinians suffered in West Bank.

I do remember what she said. And I do know Palestinians are suffering in the West Bank. But right now, their own governments are blocking any help coming to them, by not engaging in any negotiations.

 

[Godobeyer]

Wrong, and did not place the blame all on one side. Israel does not hit launch attacks unless it's attack, and any country would do as such if attacked. If the Palestinians don't want Israeli missiles and bombs hitting targets there, then I would suggest that they stop attacking Israel. It really is that simple. If you disagree, then don't whine when Israel responds to those rockets and missiles from Gaza.

So do you think Israel never attack their "enemy" , just respond to attacks lol ?

Do you think all Jews are angels , never commit crimes ?

I know that some Palestinians may attack , I disagree with Hamas missiles , and I disagree with extra respond of Israel which cost thousand of innocents .

 

[Godobeyer]

You have thus far not shown me the Algerian Nationality code of 1963, which is cited in many places as having this restriction.

What I did show you then ?

Well, you just said the information was fake, so I like to think not. But if you give me fair reason to believe some information, then I don't see why I wouldn't believe it - I feel no particular pro-UK bias that I'm aware of. It's just one more country, that I happened to be born in. I have no loyalty to it.

Then give me code from Algerian source.

So why immediately condemn it on that account?

I said why you used pro-Israel source as evidence ?

I do remember what she said. And I do know Palestinians are suffering in the West Bank. But right now, their own governments are blocking any help coming to them, by not engaging in any negotiations

Palestinians goverement blocking help !!!

are you idiot to believe this lie too ?

 

[Flankerl]

crimes happened , I am talking about Yemeni regime .

Shut it. Really shut it.

So the regime did not order it? Ever heard about the idea that a Government has to keep its citizens safe?

Oh my the Muslims love us Jews ooooooooooooooooooooooooh so much. Yet all this stuff happened, yet all these Jews had to leave their homes behind. But maaaaaaan its obviously not the fault of the Muslims, its obviously somehow the Jews fault.


**** it, always the same **** from you when its about Jews in Muslim countries. How you go on about how "now" Jews are totally cool in Muslim countries, yet you don't mention THAT THEY ARE JUST A FEW THOUSANDS IN ALL MUSLIM COUNTRIES.
Somehow there used to be more.... but man its probably Israels fault, isn't it?

Always the same ****.

Hate is exist , that for real.

blame Muslims , and making Jews like angels and victimes all time , is not fair , but it's funny for you ?

Yeah I am laughing about Muslims whining all the time why no one likes them while suppressing all non-muslims in their countries and when someone writes about it its always "those aren't real muslims/its just a minority" and all the other crap.


But you know what? I am glad that from once 140.000 Jews in Algeria not a single one is left in Algeria. You know why? Because now they are a little bit safer from their loving Muslims neighbours, who obviously wouldn't hate them... but once in a while the Jews need to be paid a visit.

Again pro-Iseal claims sources !!

Whine more.

Somehow non-Jewish media does not care about Jews in such countries, especially not Muslim media. Obviously its all lies and that's it. There is never going to be a source which would be okay for you.

Perhaps you should ask yourself why the Media in Islamic countries doesn't give a **** about problems concerning Jews.
But you won't do that, because ALLAHU AKBAR FREEDOM FOR FALESTIN!!!

Amazing how Muslims ended the Jewish-Muslim relationship which lasted over a millennia in just a few years.

 

[Aquitaine]

Were you the investigator?

Here we go again: the denial. Same with those two Palestinian teenagers who were attacking people with knives in another thread.
But of course you deny that they attacked the soldier with knives first: you cannot bring yourself to criticize fellow muslims.

 

[metis]

So do you think Israel never attack their "enemy" , just respond to attacks lol ?

Do you think all Jews are angels , never commit crimes ?

I know that some Palestinians may attack , I disagree with Hamas missiles , and I disagree with extra respond of Israel which cost thousand of innocents .

Yes, I study history instead of fabricating stories, so maybe you should do your homework before posting trash. Here, maybe you can educate yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel

 

[FearGod]

Here we go again: the denial. Same with those two Palestinian teenagers who were attacking people with knives in another thread.
But of course you deny that they attacked the soldier with knives first: you cannot bring yourself to criticize fellow muslims.

That's stupid and crap, you think that people think the same way that you do.

 

[FearGod]

Shut it. Really shut it.

So the regime did not order it? Ever heard about the idea that a Government has to keep its citizens safe?

Oh my the Muslims love us Jews ooooooooooooooooooooooooh so much. Yet all this stuff happened, yet all these Jews had to leave their homes behind. But maaaaaaan its obviously not the fault of the Muslims, its obviously somehow the Jews fault.


**** it, always the same **** from you when its about Jews in Muslim countries. How you go on about how "now" Jews are totally cool in Muslim countries, yet you don't mention THAT THEY ARE JUST A FEW THOUSANDS IN ALL MUSLIM COUNTRIES.
Somehow there used to be more.... but man its probably Israels fault, isn't it?

Always the same ****.




Yeah I am laughing about Muslims whining all the time why no one likes them while suppressing all non-muslims in their countries and when someone writes about it its always "those aren't real muslims/its just a minority" and all the other crap.


But you know what? I am glad that from once 140.000 Jews in Algeria not a single one is left in Algeria. You know why? Because now they are a little bit safer from their loving Muslims neighbours, who obviously wouldn't hate them... but once in a while the Jews need to be paid a visit.




Whine more.

Somehow non-Jewish media does not care about Jews in such countries, especially not Muslim media. Obviously its all lies and that's it. There is never going to be a source which would be okay for you.

Perhaps you should ask yourself why the Media in Islamic countries doesn't give a **** about problems concerning Jews.
But you won't do that, because ALLAHU AKBAR FREEDOM FOR FALESTIN!!!

Amazing how Muslims ended the Jewish-Muslim relationship which lasted over a millennia in just a few years.

You reminded me with this jewish woman crying the crocodile tears.
Dr. Norman knows what kind of women you are better than I.
Oh. i'm biased again.

 

[Kirran]

What I did show you then ?

The constitution.

Then give me code from Algerian source.

It's widely cited, but the text of it isn't available to me. I expect it is more readily to be found by an Arabic- or French-speaker.

I said why you used pro-Israel source as evidence ?

You first said it was a Jewish source. Which is it?

Palestinians goverement blocking help !!!

are you idiot to believe this lie too ?

The world isn't as black-and-white as you think it is. You seem to value my mother's testimony - she agrees on this point and thinks it's a tragedy.

All: this whole discussion started to make me feel a bit sick. The sheer amount of suffering, of wasted life, of hatred, coming from this endless tribalistic crap. This unholy mess of anti-Semitism, hardline Zionism (not Zionism per se), Islamism, nationalism on both sides, wilful ignorance of government failings on both sides, the Hamas bull****, the terrorism and stabbings. Different parts of this coming together to cause pogroms against the Jews, to cause the segregation of the Palestinians into camps, the stabbings of innocent Israelis, and all in an endless storm of one-sided rhetoric for one or the other. And what the hell can you do? The Palestinian government is blocking any help, the Israeli one is quietly pushing the Palestinians closer to the edge. Anti-Semitism across the Arab world doesn't seem to be going anywhere. All you can do is try and see past the identities and the religions and the hatred and try and look at things with honesty and compassion. No more of the blame game. There's not a lot of compassion going around in all this, and honestly I think without some cultivation of that by everyone involved, or as many as possible, any hypothetical peace process is going nowhere.

 

[Godobeyer]

Yes, I study history instead of fabricating stories, so maybe you should do your homework before posting trash. Here, maybe you can educate yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel

How about educate your self by facts on ground ?

 

[Godobeyer]

Shut it. Really shut it.

So the regime did not order it? Ever heard about the idea that a Government has to keep its citizens safe?

Oh my the Muslims love us Jews ooooooooooooooooooooooooh so much. Yet all this stuff happened, yet all these Jews had to leave their homes behind. But maaaaaaan its obviously not the fault of the Muslims, its obviously somehow the Jews fault.


**** it, always the same **** from you when its about Jews in Muslim countries. How you go on about how "now" Jews are totally cool in Muslim countries, yet you don't mention THAT THEY ARE JUST A FEW THOUSANDS IN ALL MUSLIM COUNTRIES.
Somehow there used to be more.... but man its probably Israels fault, isn't it?

Always the same ****.

Not in all cases .

Most of Jews whom left Arab countries goes to Israel , Israel always calls the Jews to immgrate to it.

Yeah I am laughing about Muslims whining all the time why no one likes them while suppressing all non-muslims in their countries and when someone writes about it its always "those aren't real muslims/its just a minority" and all the other crap.

Israel is racist regime is fact , and it's use it racism brutaly toward Arabs, by slow process in same area (inside Israel) , by fast process in West Bank, Gaza.

But you know what? I am glad that from once 140.000 Jews in Algeria not a single one is left in Algeria. You know why? Because now they are a little bit safer from their loving Muslims neighbours, who obviously wouldn't hate them... but once in a while the Jews need to be paid a visit.

140,000 You tell , and you believe it .
Give me an evidence that Algeria which kicked them , I would condemne it.

Whine more.

Somehow non-Jewish media does not care about Jews in such countries, especially not Muslim media. Obviously its all lies and that's it. There is never going to be a source which would be okay for you.

Perhaps you should ask yourself why the Media in Islamic countries doesn't give a **** about problems concerning Jews.
But you won't do that, because ALLAHU AKBAR FREEDOM FOR FALESTIN!!!

Amazing how Muslims ended the Jewish-Muslim relationship which lasted over a millennia in just a few years.

The opinion of others make a nerves like this !!

media is kind of source , there is some media , could be honest or lieing.

most of news of world last 50 years is about middle east , especially about what Israel doing to Arabs.

 

[Godobeyer]

The constitution.

It's widely cited, but the text of it isn't available to me. I expect it is more readily to be found by an Arabic- or French-speaker.

What cited is claims and fake , because there is NO country in world their LAWS to be opposite their Consitution.

You first said it was a Jewish source. Which is it?

I said you post pro-Israel sources in same cases to be neutral .

You posted all these articles pro-Israel in this thread !!!:

1 http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/how-algeria-lost-its-jews/
2 http://www.jta.org/2009/08/24/news-...st/report-more-yemeni-jews-leaving-for-israel
3 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/157069#.UOzt8m_s6zo
4 https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/talking/jew_refugees.html
5 http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2.209...men-president-was-once-trainee-rabbi-1.255745
6 http://www.aish.com/jw/me/48914692.html
7 http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/88249/out-of-tune-3
8 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/157069#.VwOTa5yLRxB
9 http://www.jta.org/2009/08/24/news-...st/report-more-yemeni-jews-leaving-for-israel
10 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/172683#.VwOTvpyLRxB
11 http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/foreignpolicy/peace/guide/pages/the demolition of gaza settlement homes 16-aug-2005.aspx
12 http://www.timesofisrael.com/settlers-threaten-hunger-strike-outside-prime-ministers-office/
13 http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.596092
14 http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=5727
15 http://dover.idf.il/IDF/English/News/Up_Close/10/07/2601.htm
16 http://www.timesofisrael.com/his-big-secret-hes-arab-muslim-and-serves-in-the-idf/
17 http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_145985265921710&key=ae542f5a52c8f753389759c2b8699195&libId=imnajy820100z0g7000DA213zeo4i&loc=http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/an-execution-of-wounded-by-israeli-soldier.185915/page-5&v=1&out=http://www.hrwf.net/images/reports/2014/FORB_2013.pdf&ref=http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/an-execution-of-wounded-by-israeli-soldier.185915/page-6&title=An execution of wounded by Israeli soldier ! | Page 5 | ReligiousForums.com&txt=http://www.hrwf.net/images/reports/2014/FORB_2013.pdf

17 article pro-Israel , you think that you fair, not biased ?

btw When I post from Israel sources , that's mean I gave them an argument from their own sources.

The world isn't as black-and-white as you think it is. You seem to value my mother's testimony - she agrees on this point and thinks it's a tragedy.

All: this whole discussion started to make me feel a bit sick. The sheer amount of suffering, of wasted life, of hatred, coming from this endless tribalistic crap. This unholy mess of anti-Semitism, hardline Zionism (not Zionism per se), Islamism, nationalism on both sides, wilful ignorance of government failings on both sides, the Hamas bull****, the terrorism and stabbings. Different parts of this coming together to cause pogroms against the Jews, to cause the segregation of the Palestinians into camps, the stabbings of innocent Israelis, and all in an endless storm of one-sided rhetoric for one or the other. And what the hell can you do? The Palestinian government is blocking any help, the Israeli one is quietly pushing the Palestinians closer to the edge. Anti-Semitism across the Arab world doesn't seem to be going anywhere. All you can do is try and see past the identities and the religions and the hatred and try and look at things with honesty and compassion. No more of the blame game. There's not a lot of compassion going around in all this, and honestly I think without some cultivation of that by everyone involved, or as many as possible, any hypothetical peace process is going nowhere.

You take the side of Israeli claim in this case .

Palestian goverment always condemn Israel for blocking their money .