An execution of wounded by Israeli soldier !

[Aquitaine]

I don't justify to crime , what ever the doer , a Muslim or Jew , or any other religions.
I have no problem to protect Jews from criminal Muslim.

That wasn't the case with those two teenage Palestinian knife attackers though, was it?
In that thread you were denying that they were even attacking people, and complained about a video of an Israeli civilian verbally insulting one of the boys as he waited for an ambulance.

Look, I know you think that I am just as pro-Israeli as you are pro-Palestinian, but I am not. I will criticize Israel/an Israeli when it/he/she does something wrong, but in this case with the soldier I am tempted to lean more on his side.

 

[Godobeyer]

That wasn't the case with those two teenage Palestinian knife attackers though, was it?
In that thread you were denying that they were even attacking people, and complained about a video of an Israeli civilian verbally insulting one of the boys as he waited for an ambulance.

I believe Israeli police used extra voilence toward Arabs than Jews, when it's come to crimes like that.

Look, I know you think that I am just as pro-Israeli as you are pro-Palestinian, but I am not. I will criticize Israel/an Israeli when it/he/she does something wrong, but in this case with the soldier I am tempted to lean more on his side.

You did not criticize Israel at this clear crime , then when you criticize it !!

 

[Kirran]

I have to disagree on this

Muslims in Israel faced dailly killing and racism and more distinction in rights than Shia in Saudi.
So it's just slow death .
I believe just because Israel affraid the criticize of West,so Israel would eliminate all Arabs in one day.




Israel pretend that they had freedom of speech .
for same reason avoid the criticize of West, because West which support it
Btw They said , Israel is racist regime, and unjustice ...;etc , this dishonor to Israel , not for .

for Saudi:
In general in Arab world kingdom regimes the democraty level is less than republic.
That's why you may notice the difference between me and @Smart_Guy freedom of speech.


This where Saudi should be criticized.

I don't think that Athiest are recognised as terrorists , I think it's just lie about Saudi ,if that's true , that would be a stupid decision .

I didn't say anything there which wasn't factual.

You're just picking the stuff you want to believe and deciding not to believe the stuff you don't like.

There are Arab Muslims in positions of high military, political and economic authority in Israel. Any Shias like that in Saudi? Far less, certainly.

 

[Aquitaine]

I believe Israeli police used extra voilence toward Arabs than Jews, when it's come to crimes like that.



You did not criticize Israel at this clear crime , then when you criticize it !!

When they bombed UNHRWA buildings during the 2014 conflict.
But when it's one soldier who kills a knife attacker wearing a thick jacket because he thinks he may be hiding a bomb, I can understand that.

You keep arguing that terrorists are thinking too logically in order not to carry both explosives and knives, but in my opinion these kinds of people are not thinking rationally, and I'm sure there have been suicide bombers who were carrying other weapons.

 

[Godobeyer]

You keep arguing that terrorists are thinking too logically in order not to carry both explosives and knives, but in my opinion these kinds of people are not thinking rationally, and I'm sure there have been suicide bombers who were carrying other weapons.

Usualy when a Palestinian had bomb he goes to crowd of Israelis inside Israel, not in Arab neighborhood.
I believe it's about hate or revenge more than stupid idea of suicide bomb.

 

[Godobeyer]

I didn't say anything there which wasn't factual.

You're just picking the stuff you want to believe and deciding not to believe the stuff you don't like.

There are Arab Muslims in positions of high military, political and economic authority in Israel. Any Shias like that in Saudi? Far less, certainly.

I believe in Saudi Arabia when a Saudi citizen commit crime toward a non-Muslim (for exemple murder), the justice will punish to death for Saudi citizen.

That's would never happen in Israel , when Jew commit crime toward a Arab , Israel will not punish him , or softly punish him, he deseve 20 years , they punish him 5 or 2 years .

I don't know how much Shias in Saudi ,I think they are less than 1/5 million. so it's 3% of population, this is not good percentage to reach all posts inside a state.

 

[Kirran]

I believe in Saudi Arabia when a Saudi citizen commit crime toward a non-Muslim (for exemple murder), the justice will punish to death for Saudi citizen.

That's would never happen in Israel , when Jew commit crime toward a Arab , Israel will not punish him , or softly punish him, he deseve 20 years , they punish him 5 or 2 years .

I don't know how much Shias in Saudi ,I think they are less than 1/5 million. so it's 3% of population, this is not good percentage to reach all posts inside a state.

That is false, Godobeyer. If we talk of non-Israeli Palestinians, yes there is injustice. But when we speak of Arab Israelis, that's incorrect.

As for Shias in Saudi, it's 10-15%, and they receive discrimination in employment, education, religious freedom etc regardless of their numbers. Ahmadis also are killed, incidentally.

 

[Godobeyer]

That is false, Godobeyer. If we talk of non-Israeli Palestinians, yes there is injustice. But when we speak of Arab Israelis, that's incorrect.

There is unjustice and racist toward Arab Israelis in Israel

As for Shias in Saudi, it's 10-15%, and they receive discrimination in employment, education, religious freedom etc regardless of their numbers. Ahmadis also are killed, incidentally.

I don't know about percentage , the Shia had the full rights in Saudi , they employe, and they educt ,and they had their mosques .

for Ahmadis I don't know about them.

 

[Kirran]

There is unjustice and racist toward Arab Israelis in Israel

Yes. There is injustice and racism towards Arab Israelis in Israel. But nowhere near the extent to which there is towards Palestinians by Israeli authorities or towards Christians in Gaza, Shi'ites (let alone non-Muslims!) in Saudi Arabia, or Rohingya in Myanmar.

I don't know about percentage , the Shia had the full rights in Saudi , they employe, and they educt ,and they had their mosques .

for Ahmadis I don't know about them.

On Shi'ites, this is in fact not true. In theory, yes, but in practice it very much is not.

 

[Godobeyer]

Yes. There is injustice and racism towards Arab Israelis in Israel. But nowhere near the extent to which there is towards Palestinians by Israeli authorities or towards Christians in Gaza, Shi'ites (let alone non-Muslims!) in Saudi Arabia, or Rohingya in Myanmar.

I believe the injustice and racism that Arab Israelis faced in Israel is more than, what non-Muslims or Shia faced in Saudi Arabia .

Most of non-Muslims in Saudi Arabia are just workers NOT citizens , in Israel , the Israeli Arabs lived there

On Shi'ites, this is in fact not true. In theory, yes, but in practice it very much is not.

Do you deny they DONT educate , or employ or build homes or mosques ?

I believe this is exagerate about Saudi Arabia , that does not mean they are perfect.

 

[Kirran]

I believe the injustice and racism that Arab Israelis faced in Israel is more than, what non-Muslims or Shia faced in Saudi Arabia .

Most of non-Muslims in Saudi Arabia are just workers NOT citizens , in Israel , the Israeli Arabs lived there

Based on what do you believe this? Or is it just an article of faith?

Obviously, non-Muslims aren't allowed to become citizens of Saudi Arabia.

Do you deny they DONT educate , or employ or build homes or mosques ?

I believe this is exagerate about Saudi Arabia , that does not mean they are perfect.

They do to some degree, but they face severe restrictions. In the same way that Arab Israelis are permitted to build houses, get educated, go into politics etc, but in some cases face a degree of restriction.

 

[FearGod]

I didn't say anything there which wasn't factual.

You're just picking the stuff you want to believe and deciding not to believe the stuff you don't like.

There are Arab Muslims in positions of high military, political and economic authority in Israel. Any Shias like that in Saudi? Far less, certainly.

Arab Muslims in position of high military authority in Israel.

 

[Flankerl]

@Kirran you are fighting a windmill. Israel is always worse. Otherwise the worldview of some falls together like a cardhouse.

You could tell them that one of the biggest heroes of the IDF was Lieutenant Colonel Abd el-Majid Hidr, they wouldn't care.
Or about former Brigadier General Imad Fares and former Major General Yusef Mishleb. They will discard it because its Israel.

You could even tell them about former Supreme Court justice Abdel Rahman Zuabi or current Supreme Court justice Salim Joubran.

It does not matter. It never will. What people have to realise is that there is no peaceful way out. Not until something major changes in the Arab world and that simply will not happen.

 

[Kirran]

Arab Muslims in position of high military authority in Israel.

There's no need to be rude.

There are in fact Muslim Arabs within the Israeli military, including common soldiers medics, Lieutenants and a Major.

 

[FearGod]

@Kirran you are fighting a windmill. Israel is always worse. Otherwise the worldview of some falls together like a cardhouse.

You could tell them that one of the biggest heroes of the IDF was Lieutenant Colonel Abd el-Majid Hidr, they wouldn't care.
Or about former Brigadier General Imad Fares and former Major General Yusef Mishleb. They will discard it because its Israel.

You could even tell them about former Supreme Court justice Abdel Rahman Zuabi or current Supreme Court justice Salim Joubran.

It does not matter. It never will. What people have to realise is that there is no peaceful way out. Not until something major changes in the Arab world and that simply will not happen.

Yes we're liars and you're right, actually 50% of the Israeli army are Palestinians and maybe Netanyahu as well.

 

[Kirran]

Yes we're liars and you're right, actually 50% of the Israeli army are Palestinians and maybe Netanyahu as well.

Nobody ever said that. But the things Flankerl raised are facts - there are Arab Israelis, Muslim and otherwise, who are in positions of authority in Israel.

I don't know that there are many who'd call themselves Palestinian.

 

[Flankerl]

@Kirran you see? There is no light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[Kirran]

@Kirran you see? There is no light at the end of the tunnel.

Last feeble clawings before I resign myself to a life in the darkness.

 

[FearGod]

Nobody ever said that. But the things Flankerl raised are facts - there are Arab Israelis, Muslim and otherwise, who are in positions of authority in Israel.

I don't know that there are many who'd call themselves Palestinian.

You can believe stupid things to be facts, you aren't the only one, many in this world can believe anything
without making any proper investigation and analyzing things, depends on their mental abilities.

 

[Kirran]

You can believe stupid things to be facts, you aren't the only one, many in this world can believe anything
without making any proper investigation and analyzing things, depends on their mental abilities.

So you think Flankerl is lying? It's pretty verifiable that these people are actually there in office.

I've actually done a great deal of research into both sides of the Israel-Palestine debate, and feel myself relatively well-informed. I am neither pro-Israel nor pro-Palestine, as there's blood and prejudice on both sides. There are things Israelis and their government and Palestinians and their governments can do to help things. But it'll take compromises on both sides.

To assume people who disagree with you must be stupid is not an attitude which particularly engenders open and honest discussion.