An interesting view of Atheism

[McBell]

Irrelevant. They are theists which is the point.

Are they?
I mean, if you are not a True Christian, how can you be a theist?
I mean, all those other gods are not god, right?

 

[ArtieE]

Are they?
I mean, if you are not a True Christian, how can you be a theist?
I mean, all those other gods are not god, right?

BillardsBall should answer that.

 

[Aset's Flames]

I COULD debate that ... but my point was that an atheist can be kind & compassionate just like a religios person can be kind & compassionate.

You don't need 2 have ANY belief to discover from your own experience that cultivating kindness & compassion leads 2 peace-of-mind. Do the opposite and you won't experience peace of mind.

All the best!

It is true that religion is not nessecary for morality.

However I have found that religion is not nessecary for peace of mind either.

The reason why many religions can offer peace of mind is that lies are more comforting than truths.

 

[McBell]

BillardsBall should answer that.

Fair enough.

However, since he ignores me, I doubt he will see the question.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Nope. You'd have access to actual scientific studies. While this might not be 100% watertight in terms of 'proof', it would be enough to give me pause. This is much the same approach as one could take with something like 'evolution' I guess.



You mean if I break my vows? Well, there is 2 scenarios there...if you know me at all, then I'd fully deserve to be taken to task for breaking my vows. This would apply to all vows. If you didn't know me, I'd tell you to bugger off, it's none of your business.



Phht. You do yourself no favours with such ridiculous analogies. There are very clear and simple statistics linking drink driving with poor outcomes, for the driver, for passengers, and for pedestrians. Similarly with seatbelts. These laws were enacted based on studies, not on personal opinion.



Gets hard to listen to all of them though, doesn't it? Most people seem to pick their favourite flavour, and then ignore the ramifications this approach has on their arguments. For example, should I listen to Caligula's predictions? He was probably stark raving mad, but he was a (self-proclaimed) deity. But I guess 'godly' is your defining point there, right? Caligula wasn't godly, but the particular prophets you are talking of are, and are prophets of the one true God, etc. Like Joseph Smith. Or not.

Nope, I think I'll evaluate information I receive myself, if that's okay. You feel free to do the same. Just as you have concluded that certain prophets aren't godly, I'll feel free to do the same. But if you literally see my house on fire, see me with a cigarette in my mouth, catch me cheating on my wife, or have the unfortunate experience of watching me drive over grandma whilst sucking down a can of beer, feel free to point out my shortcomings. Not like ANY of those would be reliant on me simply accepting your interpretation of the world around you, after all.

Too late then--God cares for you to hear preaching BEFORE you kill grandma or your marriage. So...

 

[ArtieE]

Too late then--God cares for you to hear preaching BEFORE you kill grandma or your marriage. So...

First clean up among your fellow theists before you start on atheists. http://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2...of-christian-men-look-at-porn-commit-adultery

 

[McBell]

Too late then--God cares for you to hear preaching BEFORE you kill grandma or your marriage. So...

To be more accurate the above quote should read:

I BELIEVE God cares for you to hear preaching BEFORE you kill grandma or your marriage​

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Too late then--God cares for you to hear preaching BEFORE you kill grandma or your marriage. So...

Hey, they were your examples, not mine.
Don't blame me if they were a pile of bollocks.

 

[BilliardsBall]

First clean up among your fellow theists before you start on atheists. http://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2...of-christian-men-look-at-porn-commit-adultery

Why do use the term "clean up"? That is, on what basis do you feel looking at pornography is "wrong" or "sin"?

Thanks.

 

[BilliardsBall]

To be more accurate the above quote should read:

I BELIEVE God cares for you to hear preaching BEFORE you kill grandma or your marriage​

Sorry but I think the facts of the gospel are more important than faith. God has given me commands.

 

[ArtieE]

Why do use the term "clean up"? That is, on what basis do you feel looking at pornography is "wrong" or "sin"?

Thanks.

Read the link. "55 percent look at pornography at least once a month and 35 percent cheated on their spouses in an extramarital affair." [my emphasis]. I suggest you concentrate on improving the morals of Christians theists before starting on atheists. http://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2...of-christian-men-look-at-porn-commit-adultery

 

[ArtieE]

Sorry but I think the facts of the gospel are more important than faith. God has given me commands.

Why would God need to give you commands?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Read the link. "55 percent look at pornography at least once a month and 35 percent cheated on their spouses in an extramarital affair." [my emphasis]. I suggest you concentrate on improving the morals of Christians theists before starting on atheists. http://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/2...of-christian-men-look-at-porn-commit-adultery

On what basis do you consider pornography and adultery to be inappropriate? From whence do you derive your current moral indignation at the acts of others? Are there any planks in your eye before you help Christians clean their eyes?

Thanks.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Apparently many with an absence of belief still feel strongly about coming here to deride theists and their beliefs. When I believe something doesn't exist, I usually don't post dozens of times weekly about it on websites.

If millions of people adhered to the teachings of Harry Potter, lived their lives by Harry's principals, made proclamations and rules and legislature all based on that book, I'd have a lot more to say about it.
I am capable of both not believing something and understanding that belief impacts myself and the world around me. Of course I want to be included in the dialogue.

I can see where you would have theists keep quiet...
Unfortunately, however, your desire for me to be quiet and keep church hidden in a building on Sunday conflicts with my desire to do what my Lord asks. Will you support my right to free speech or use your free speech to fight against my free speech?

There are some kind and compassionate atheists. However, they are nowhere to be found on any atheist or religious forums worldwide!

Sounds more like you desire to keep atheists quiet than the other way around. The only good atheist is a silent one, eh?

 

[Willamena]

It is true that religion is not nessecary for morality.

However I have found that religion is not nessecary for peace of mind either.

The reason why many religions can offer peace of mind is that lies are more comforting than truths.

I would say, rather, because imagination is more comforting than truth.

 

[McBell]

Sorry but I think the facts of the gospel are more important than faith. God has given me commands.

There you go agian, using the word "fact" as though you do not know what it means.

 

[McBell]

Why would God need to give you commands?

I never understood why a being that is supposed to be all powerful cannot get anything done on Earth without people doing it for him.

 

[ArtieE]

On what basis do you consider pornography and adultery to be inappropriate?

On the basis that pornography has many side effects such as drug abuse and crime and venereal diseases detrimental to those who work in the industry and other individuals and society in general. Adultery is also generally detrimental to society.

From whence do you derive your current moral indignation at the acts of others?

From the fact that the acts of these others are detrimental to the well-being of the community of human beings of which I am a part.

Are there any planks in your eye before you help Christians clean their eyes?

I am neither a pornographer nor an adulterer.

 

[McBell]

On what basis do you consider pornography and adultery to be inappropriate? From whence do you derive your current moral indignation at the acts of others? Are there any planks in your eye before you help Christians clean their eyes?

Thanks.

It matters not one bit whether or not Artie thinks pornography and or adultery immoral.
The fact remains that Christians are suppose to.

 

[leibowde84]

Why do use the term "clean up"? That is, on what basis do you feel looking at pornography is "wrong" or "sin"?

Thanks.

I think he was just pointing out that, under your standard of morality, plenty of practicing Christians are immoral. You haven't provided any evidence that atheists are less moral than theists, under your standards of course.