An Religious Chat

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Well I am a Muslim and i wanted to take with any christian about what is the true religion ! and see who of us is right !

True religion is what God says it is and Christianity is all about listening to God through the Paraclete. Islam can only listen to what God said in a book.

 

[Muffled]

No, It is Just That I see that every one is on his parents religion without even thinking but i want to be on the right religion to go to heaven and also i want people to go for the right one (i mean any right religion )
and it also for me to have information about Christianity and for u
as you know at my schools they talk like they say there opinion about Christianity to make you feel its wrong and also i think that also happens at your schools so i just wanna know your opinion about Islam or Christianity and i say also just it without this religious Fights !! :slap:

I believe my parents had nominal Christianity but I grew into being a born again Christian. School had nothing to do with it. My parents may have become born agin believers but I have no knowledge of it, only that they became more active in church when they got old.

I believe anyone can go to Heaven but only Christianity has the way to get there. My brother-in-law could go to Tokyo but he doesn't have a way to get there because he doesn't have enough money.

I believe there is a lot of false teaching in the world and our schools teach faith in evolution and atheism.

I have never seen it in our schools because knowledge of Islam simply wasn't existent up until a few years ago. I have had Christian people say detrimental things about Islam but I believe that is ethnocentricity and ignorance.

My opinion is that Islam as a religion today is far from God and in some cases as expounded by terrorists grounded in evil. My opinion of Islam in the true sense of its meaning is that it is a long term goal that is not easily achieved.

 

[suzy smith]

The same question always comes to mind when I read a debate about which religion is the right one. Why did God make it so darn difficult to find the answer?
You ask almost any Christian, Muslim, Jew and so on why they think they are right and it almost always comes down to their faith.
Then you ask them how you get faith, and after a while you just walk away happy to be an atheist.
If God really existed you would have thought he would make it bit easier to find him? Or am I just to simple an atheist to understand?
And I do have an open mind so if you could explain it all to me I will listen.
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[mystic64]

The same question always comes to mind when I read a debate about which religion is the right one. Why did God make it so darn difficult to find the answer?
You ask almost any Christian, Muslim, Jew and so on why they think they are right and it always comes down to their faith.
Then you ask them how you get faith, and after a while you just walk away happy to be an atheist.
If God really existed you would have thought he would make it bit easier to find him? Or am I just to simple an atheist to understand?
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Hi Suzy and welcome to this message board! Yours are valid questions . Basically what one is dealing with is that they are attempting to establish a relationship with a profoundly powerful force that is not of Creation and never has been. This profoundly powerful force does not think like we do, it does not experience conscious awareness like we do, and it has never had to go through the things that we as individuals of our species have had to go through. And when this force is actually at play in one's life, in a positive sense, awesome unexplainable things happen. The question becomes, "What in the heck did that one person do right?" Religion is an attempt to explain to others how to do it right. And that boils down to "Good luck with that!" Because this profoundly powerful force has been known to play in a positive sense in the lives of those that are not religious as well as in the lives some of those that are religous. One does not really need to have a relationship with this profoundly powerful force or even believe in It, because It does what is does, when It does things, whether one believes in it or not.

And for some unexplainable reason It really seems to like some people and sort of like others. And for some reason when this profoundly powerful force is actively at play in one's life, one's life changes in a profound way. And that can happen nomatter what your religion or non religion is. So until then, there is really no reason not to be an atheist, at least from a logical sense, because if It actually likes you it doesn't really matter.

 

[Pegg]

The same question always comes to mind when I read a debate about which religion is the right one. Why did God make it so darn difficult to find the answer?

well, he didnt make it hard...we did.

God revealed himself to mankind and what he revealed was recorded in the bible.


There's only one book.

 

[Tumah]

There's only one book.

I agree...and yet, I suspect we don't agree at all...

 

[Virus]

Well I am a Muslim and i wanted to take with any christian about what is the true religion ! and see who of us is right !

you can't be serious, even the atheist and satanist think they are right, what makes you think they will decide otherwise??

shouldn't waste your time with these things but if you insist go ahead

 

[Yuusif12]

Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all sent down from God. But the Bible was changed by the people after it was sent down. With the Quran we have a chain of people who each narrated it to the next person until it reached this age.

 

[Tumah]

Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all sent down from God. But the Bible was changed by the people after it was sent down. With the Quran we have a chain of people who each narrated it to the next person until it reached this age.

That is something very special of your religion. No other religion makes claim to any sort of chain of people that passed down G-d's Bible through them.

 

[mystic64]

Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all sent down from God. But the Bible was changed by the people after it was sent down. With the Quran we have a chain of people who each narrated it to the next person until it reached this age.

Hi and welcome to this message board Yuusif! And welcome to this topic because this topic needs an Islamic representitive (or representitives). So basically what you are saying is the Quran started out as oral history and then was eventually written down? And from then on the Quran was not changed in any way? And you are saying that the Christian Bible was changed by people after it was written down?

Originally both the Christian Bible and the Quran were written down in Arabic and then the Christian Bible was tranlated into other languages with these translations all being a bit different from the others thus creating changes. The Quran has always been written in Arabic so changes didn't happen. In today's world the Quran is now being translated into other languages and these translations are changing the Quran's pure original meaning because translations from one language to another are never perfect. If the Quran continues to be translated into other languages so that it can be made available to non Arabic speaking people, it then to will also go through changes as the Christian Bible has gone through changes.

 

[mystic64]

That is something very special of your religion. No other religion makes claim to any sort of chain of people that passed down G-d's Bible through them.

All Jewish folks use the same Bible (written scripture). Not all Christians use the same Bible. Christian scripture has many versions. One example of difference is the Catholic version and the Protestant version. And of course both are the word of God. Yuusif does have a valid point.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Not all Christians use the same Bible. Christian scripture has many versions. One example of difference is the Catholic version and the Protestant version. And of course both are the word of God.

Why do you believe that the Bible is the word of God? What reasons do you have?

 

[Windwalker]

All Jewish folks use the same Bible (written scripture). Not all Christians use the same Bible. Christian scripture has many versions. One example of difference is the Catholic version and the Protestant version. And of course both are the word of God. Yuusif does have a valid point.

No they are not different, with the only exception being that the Catholic Bible contains the apocrypha, or the deuterocanonical books filling in the historical gap between Malachi in the Old Testament, and Matthew in the New Testament. There are mainly Jewish history, and have little to no bearing on doctrine. Aside from that, the New Testament is the same as well as the Old Testament books. It not like a "different Bible" in the sense that it's like the book of Mormon, or something.

 

[mystic64]

Why do you believe that the Bible is the word of God? What reasons do you have?

You miss understand me I was being facetious. From a Christian reality all versions of the Holy Scripture are the word of God. At the same time most Christians have an accepted version that is more the word of God than the other versions. AmbiguousGuy, I am a pure mystic and even though I am a Christian most Christians would not agree that I am a Christian. One reason is that if the Bible is the word of God, then I question their interpretation of God's word. And I am also not narrow minded about things. To me it is all a work in progress and ultimately we are all waiting to see where it goes, if it actually goes anywhere.

 

[mystic64]

No they are not different, with the only exception being that the Catholic Bible contains the apocrypha, or the deuterocanonical books filling in the historical gap between Malachi in the Old Testament, and Matthew in the New Testament. There are mainly Jewish history, and have little to no bearing on doctrine. Aside from that, the New Testament is the same as well as the Old Testament books. It not like a "different Bible" in the sense that it's like the book of Mormon, or something.

Sir, I am not actually disagreeing with you, you are a very learned person and are correct in what you are saying. The conflect comes in when this question is asked, "Windwalker, which translation are you using?"

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

You miss understand me I was being facetious. From a Christian reality all versions of the Holy Scripture are the word of God. At the same time most Christians have an accepted version that is more the word of God than the other versions.

That's true. The conservative ones, the bibliolaters, won't even discuss the other versions. How can we worship words if we can't first settle on which words to worship?

AmbiguousGuy, I am a pure mystic and even though I am a Christian most Christians would not agree that I am a Christian.

No one ever calls me a Christian anymore. I think it's probably something I've said.

 

[Windwalker]

Sir, I am not actually disagreeing with you, you are a very learned person and are correct in what you are saying. The conflect comes in when this question is asked, "Windwalker, which translation are you using?"

Oh well, yes. Translation is another matter. There's lots of them. But then to make it really more to reality, even if you have the exact same translation, or even if you have the original language, you still will have different understandings of the texts because everyone is different from each other, and at different stages of growth to complicate it further. You may have some general consensus along certain strata, but even then, how it is internalized will always be individual and never 100% conformity to another's views.

 

[mystic64]

That's true. The conservative ones, the bibliolaters, won't even discuss the other versions. How can we worship words if we can't first settle on which words to worship?



No one ever calls me a Christian anymore. I think it's probably something I've said.

Me and God nothing is ever boring. I am thinking about starting a topic about: "Discussion on a Possible Universal Religion" just to see if things can be sexed up a bit as the British say. What do you think? Controversy sells news papers, and who knows maybe some constructive discussion might come out of it.

Windwalker?

 

[mystic64]

Oh well, yes. Translation is another matter. There's lots of them. But then to make it really more to reality, even if you have the exact same translation, or even if you have the original language, you still will have different understandings of the texts because everyone is different from each other, and at different stages of growth to complicate it further. You may have some general consensus along certain strata, but even then, how it is internalized will always be individual and never 100% conformity to another's views.

Windwalker, I have interacted with you on other message boards and based on my experience you are always right on. I left out the part of, "Even though you have the same translation . But you didn't miss it as part of the interesting challenge .

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Me and God nothing is ever boring. I am thinking about starting a topic about: "Discussion on a Possible Universal Religion" just to see if things can be sexed up a bit as the British say. What do you think? Controversy sells news papers, and who knows maybe some constructive discussion might come out of it.

I think the only proper religion is the religion with a single member.

Either I'm the prophet or else no one's the prophet.