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And He Shall Be Called a Nazarene

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
Sorry - I can't accept it.

The original Church of Christ referenced books of scripture that the Catholic Church later decided to reject.
There is no Biblical evidence of bread becoming flesh, babies being baptized and confessions to men to be forgiven of sin.
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53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them
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Fallen Prophet You never read.. "Whole families were baptized EXCEPT the babies"! If God did not want them baptized he would have made it clear!
Acts 16:33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized.

Confession, to Priests!
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.


There is NO place that says.. The scriptures are the AUTHORITY!
Scriptures say: "The CHURCH has the authority of God to teach all nations!
Scriptures say.. "Listen to the CHURCH or be rejected as a PAGAN!"
Scriptures say.. "Hear the Church you hear Jesus! "Reject the Church you reject God!"
Scriptures say: "Jesus built his CHURCH on ROCK, not on sand"!
Scriptures say.. "Jesus died for the CHURCH" they say "Jesus loves his CHURCH!"
Scriptures say "Jesus is ALWAYS with his CHURCH to the end of the world"!
Scriptures say.. "The CHURCH is the Pillar and the foundation of truth"!
Scriptures say.. "The Holy Spirit is with the CHURCH FOREVER"!
Scriptures say "The Holy Spirit will guide The CHURCH into all truth"!

Fallen Prophet Clearly the scriptures you use referenced books of scripture are false...! How do I know? Simple answer is; because the Catholic CHURCH guided by God rejected them!
 

SeekingAllTruth

Well-Known Member
He Shall Be Called a Nazarene

Doesn't appear anywhere in the OT. Matthew made it up, why is anybody's guess. Who cares where Jesus came from?
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I notice two things wrt the OP:

19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
20 Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.
22 But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galile.

Joseph did not have faith in the angel sent by the Lord, and consequently, on the Lord Himself.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
But I thought you said you believe in Jesus?

And, yes, I've read Judges.

Both testaments teach that the righteous are indeed to judge. You are misinterpreting/misapplying Matthew 7.

Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. - Matthew 19:28
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Nah. Firstly, there are not hundreds of prophecies. There really are just a few, and recognizing him means looking to see if the person fulfills ALL of them. There will be no debate. All the world will acknowledge him as the messiah.

Why then did Isaiah say of the Messiah, "Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed . . . we despised Him and did not esteem Him."
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Both testaments teach that the righteous are indeed to judge. You are misinterpreting/misapplying Matthew 7.

Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. - Matthew 19:28
You are conflating things, and the limited right to judge cases was granted only to the Apostles and their subsequent appointees. Thus, when you insist that certain people cannot be "saved" you have overstepped your role. Even Paul said he can't judge others because he knows not even that which is in his innermost mind so as to judge even himself.

Thus, I highly recommend you heed Jesus' words on this.
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
He Shall Be Called a Nazarene

Doesn't appear anywhere in the OT. Matthew made it up, why is anybody's guess. Who cares where Jesus came from?
It appears SeekingAllTruth is NOT.. Seeking the truth!
Millions upon millions of people in the world do say... "It does matter where Jesus came from!"
SeekingAllTruth Question: How many people do you happen to know that have risen from the dead!?
 

SeekingAllTruth

Well-Known Member
It appears SeekingAllTruth is NOT.. Seeking the truth!
Millions upon millions of people in the world do say... "It does matter where Jesus came from!"
SeekingAllTruth Question: How many people do you happen to know that have risen from the dead!?
Not one. Let me clarify: I know of no one who has risen from the dead.
 
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IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Had Matthew intended to cite an exact prophetic quotation from the Old Testament, he would have cited a specific prophet, instead of saying summarily, as he does, “the prophets”.
23 and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that he would be called a Nazarene.
Which pretty much shows that Matthew was making it up.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
And it does.

But it's not a specific individual prophecy that he is referring to.

The beginning of understanding is what Dog says here:



"Had Matthew intended to cite an exact prophetic quotation from the Old Testament, he would have cited a specific prophet, instead of saying summarily, as he does, “the prophets”.​

Beautiful.

Mathew used the phrase, “through the prophet(s)”, more than anyone.

Only one time did he use the plural version; "This fulfilled what the prophetS had said.



Maybe not.

All that it means is, it could NOT be BETHLEHEM, EGYPT or RAMAH.

In the translation you quote:

"So the family went and lived in a town called Nazareth. This fulfilled what the prophets had said: “He will be called a Nazarene.”​

We see the quotes around “He will be called a Nazarene.”

But not all translations have that:

"Then he went and settled in a town called Nazareth to fulfill what was spoken through the prophets, that He will be called a Nazarene. - CSB​

And some don't even have the "that", that He will be called a Nazarene:

"And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene. - KJV​

Don't forget that the translators put the punctuation in.

It could have been read like this:

"And he came out of Egypt and dwelt in a city called Nazareth that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets. He shall be called a Nazarene.​

And since Mathew uses the plural, we know he's not talking about one single prophet or prophecy.

I'm sure, considering the context, if we could hear Matthew's voice speak the words, we would understand by the inflection points alone.

Mathew was addressing the times Jesus' family was on the run from Herod. They couldn't stay in Bethlehem, so they ran to Egypt. He avoids the slaughter of the innocents. When it's all safe they can come back out of Egypt.

"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times." - Michah 5:2

"And out of Egypt I called My son. - Hosea 11;1

"A voice is heard in Ramah, mourning and great weeping, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - Jeremiah 31:15​

They said to him, “In Bethlehem of Judea; for this is what has been written by the prophet: ‘AND YOU, BETHLEHEM, LAND OF JUDAH, ARE BY NO MEANS LEAST AMONG THE LEADERS OF JUDAH; FOR OUT OF YOU SHALL COME FORTH A RULER WHO WILL SHEPHERD MY PEOPLE ISRAEL.’” - Matthew 2:5-6

So Joseph got up and took the Child and His mother while it was still night, and left for Egypt. He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON." - Matthew 2:14-15

Then what had been spoken through Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled: “A VOICE WAS HEARD IN RAMAH, WEEPING AND GREAT MOURNING, RACHEL WEEPING FOR HER CHILDREN; AND SHE REFUSED TO BE COMFORTED, BECAUSE THEY WERE NO MORE.” - Matthew 2:17-18​

Mathew is not saying there's a specific verse, or prophet, that calls Jesus a "Nazarene", He is merely summarizing the events Jesus fulfilled prior to ending up where He did.

Therefore, NOW He shall be called a Nazarene. Matthew is simply stating a conclusion, the culmination of young Jesus' travels in His flight for saftey. Now He can find a place to rest his head, Now He will be called a Nazarene. This fulfils what the prophets said regarding Chris's young life on the run.

It probably could have been anywhere other that Bethlehem or Egypt.

Pick a town from the Old Time Jews:

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If we shall be Kings and Priests, like Revelation 5 says, why not our own pope.

Peaceful Sabbath.
I read your whole post, and found it disappointing. Sir, the very fact that Matthew doesn't reference a particular Prophet but gives a general appeal to "the prophets" is simply evidence that he made the whole thing up.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
It's rather an acknowledgment of a known technique for interpreting God's truth, and also an acknowledgment that Jesus fulfilled hundreds of other prophecies without wordplay.
There are not "hundreds of prophecies" about the Messiah. Christians wear glasses that have Jesus painted on them, so that they see Jesus everywhere they look, even when he is not there.

The known, agreed by all prophecies about the messiah, are actually very few, and Jesus did not fulfill them.
 

Fallen Prophet

Well-Known Member
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53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them
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Fallen Prophet You never read.. "Whole families were baptized EXCEPT the babies"! If God did not want them baptized he would have made it clear!
Acts 16:33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized.

Confession, to Priests!
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.


There is NO place that says.. The scriptures are the AUTHORITY!
Scriptures say: "The CHURCH has the authority of God to teach all nations!
Scriptures say.. "Listen to the CHURCH or be rejected as a PAGAN!"
Scriptures say.. "Hear the Church you hear Jesus! "Reject the Church you reject God!"
Scriptures say: "Jesus built his CHURCH on ROCK, not on sand"!
Scriptures say.. "Jesus died for the CHURCH" they say "Jesus loves his CHURCH!"
Scriptures say "Jesus is ALWAYS with his CHURCH to the end of the world"!
Scriptures say.. "The CHURCH is the Pillar and the foundation of truth"!
Scriptures say.. "The Holy Spirit is with the CHURCH FOREVER"!
Scriptures say "The Holy Spirit will guide The CHURCH into all truth"!

Fallen Prophet Clearly the scriptures you use referenced books of scripture are false...! How do I know? Simple answer is; because the Catholic CHURCH guided by God rejected them!
Yeah - I really can't accept any of this. Sorry.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Isaiah 53 is not about the messiah, dude. It is about Israel.

When was Israel with sinners in his death, than buried with a rich man (a singular man)?

When did Israel rise from the dead to see Israel's children?

Why did Israel suffer to pay for Israel's sin, when God gives sacrifices?
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
Which pretty much shows that Matthew was making it up.
Hello IndigoChild5559.. Hope all is well!
You said in reply to this,... (Had Matthew intended to cite an exact prophetic quotation from the Old Testament, he would have cited a specific prophet, instead of saying summarily, as he does, “the prophets”.
23 and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that he would be called a Nazarene
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I say ... The devil is in the details! Your comment.. Which pretty much shows that Matthew was making it up.

I reply: Making it up is a moot point; because you question the Matthew' integrity means his words mean nothing!? Clearly Matthew did not get his idea from thin air of a "fulfilled prophesy" .
They returned to reside in Nazareth after word came that Herod the Great had died (Matt. 2:19-20).

Matthew could easily be paraphrasing in summary form the words of several prophets.
Acts 24:5We have found this man to be a troublemaker, stirring up riots among the Jews all over the world. He is a ringleader of the Nazarene sect
Christians are spoken of by Tertullus as “the sect of the Nazarenes”. The name has obvious reference to Nazareth, the early home of the Savior
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
Yeah - I really can't accept any of this. Sorry.

I reply... "It is scripture!" You want proof from the scriptures!? THEN.. When you get the proof from the scriptures you reject the scriptures!?
Pagans reject the authority of the Church!
There is NO place that says.. The scriptures are the AUTHORITY!
Scriptures say: "The CHURCH" has the authority of God to teach all nations!
Scriptures say.. "Listen to the CHURCH or be rejected as a PAGAN!"
Scriptures say.. "Hear the Church you hear Jesus! "Reject the Church you reject God!"
Scriptures say: "Jesus built his CHURCH on ROCK, not on sand"!
Scriptures say.. "Jesus died for the CHURCH" they say "Jesus loves his CHURCH!"
Scriptures say "Jesus is ALWAYS with his CHURCH to the end of the world"!
Scriptures say.. "The CHURCH is the Pillar and the foundation of truth"!
Scriptures say.. "The Holy Spirit is with the CHURCH FOREVER"!
Scriptures say "The Holy Spirit will guide The CHURCH into all truth"!

Accept it or reject it.... Can't argue with truth!
Scripture.. John 6:55 "My flesh is real food"!
Scripture.. John 6:52 Then the Jews & Fallen Prophet began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

Confessing sins to a man... 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

Fallen Prophet For anyone to reject the Catholic Church they must then reject the scriptures!
 
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