..and not a drag queen among them.

[fantome profane]

Drag is a deliberately over-sexualised caricature of women. Drag is sexual entertainment for adults portraying a satirical sexual objectification of women. That people don't seem to realise this is the biggest issue here. 15 years or so ago this would have been a huge issue especially for feminists who wouldn't have wanted this anywhere near children.

But does it actually harm children? What about the benefit of reading to children.

I think the idea that someone should not be able to read to children because someone thinks they are dressed too sexy is a dangerous slope to go down, and I think actually anti-feminist.

Is the issue about children, or offending some feminists?

 

[Rival]

But does it actually harm children? What about the benefit of reading to children.

I think the idea that someone should not be able to read to children because someone thinks they are dressed too sexy is a dangerous slope to go down, and I think actually anti-feminist.

Is the issue about children, or offending some feminists?

If you think men in sexualised costumes hanging around infront of children isn't a problem, I can't help you further. Children ought not be exposed to anything sexual before the appropriate time around teenhood. If the benefit is reading to children, they can wear normal clothing.

 

[fantome profane]

If you think men in sexualised costumes hanging around infront of children isn't a problem, I can't help you further. Children ought not be exposed to anything sexual before the appropriate time around teenhood. If the benefit is reading to children, they can wear normal clothing.

I am not agreeing that these are sexualized costumes. Just because some performer wears a sexualized costumes when doing a show for adults does not mean they wear the same thing when performing for children, it does not mean they say the same things or act the same way.

If someone at a burlesque style show for adults started reading a children's book to the audience that would be very strange too.

 

[Father Heathen]

Wow Daily Kos. That hate speech site is still around?

In a society that is hyper-focused on sex, and now with freewheeling gender expression, why would it be a surprise that politicians are just as prone to aberrant behavior as the average citizen? If anything, it should be expected.

Again, the point was about the irony of accusing drag queens of being groomers and predators when statistically they should be boycotting churches rather than drag shows.

Exit question (maybe suitable for another thread): Where did people ever get the idea that it was a good idea to take small children to drag shows? What's next Pole Dancer Story Hour? Sex Worker Story Hour? Minor-Attracted Person Story Hour?

Exit answer: Straw Man Hour

 

[Father Heathen]

If you think men in sexualised costumes hanging around infront of children isn't a problem, I can't help you further. Children ought not be exposed to anything sexual before the appropriate time around teenhood. If the benefit is reading to children, they can wear normal clothing.

 

[Father Heathen]

'This is The Army' was a 1943 musical that featured drag performances along with conservative darling Ronald Reagan:

This Is the Army - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Along with the old Bugs Bunny cartoons where he dressed in drag, I wonder what sort of irreparable psychological damage this movie has inflicted upon past generations...

 

[SkepticThinker]

Drag is a deliberately over-sexualised caricature of women.

Drag is sexual entertainment for adults portraying a satirical sexual objectification of women. That people don't seem to realise this is the biggest issue here.

In your opinion.

I don't think Dame Edna would have agreed with you. Or Mrs. Doubtfire. Or Bugs Bunny. Or people who used to perform Shakespeare plays in the past.

I'd love for someone to explain how reading stories to children is harmful to them.

15 years or so ago this would have been a huge issue especially for feminists who wouldn't have wanted this anywhere near children.

Drag queens existed "15 years or so ago," I promise you that. It goes back centuries, at least.


I don't judge people by their looks. I judge them by the content of their character. I'm also a feminist.

 

[SkepticThinker]

But does it actually harm children? What about the benefit of reading to children.

I think the idea that someone should not be able to read to children because someone thinks they are dressed too sexy is a dangerous slope to go down, and I think actually anti-feminist.

Is the issue about children, or offending some feminists?

My sister happens to have some very huge gazungas that she has a difficult time covering up even with a full coverage t-shirt. I wonder if someone would object to her reading books to children.

 

[SkepticThinker]

If you think men in sexualised costumes hanging around infront of children isn't a problem, I can't help you further. Children ought not be exposed to anything sexual before the appropriate time around teenhood. If the benefit is reading to children, they can wear normal clothing.

What's "normal clothing?"

 

[Rival]

In your opinion.

I don't think Dame Edna would have agreed with you. Or Mrs. Doubtfire. Or Bugs Bunny. Or people who used to perform Shakespeare plays in the past.

I'd love for someone to explain how reading stories to children is harmful to them.

Drag queens existed "15 years or so ago," I promise you that. It goes back centuries, at least.


I don't judge people by their looks. I judge them by the content of their character. I'm also a feminist.

Uh, drag and simply being a crossdresser aren't the same. The whole point of drag is that it's a sexualised satire of women.

How tf aren't people aware of this?

 

[Father Heathen]

Uh, drag and simply being a crossdresser aren't the same. The whole point of drag is that it's a sexualised satire of women.

How tf aren't people aware of this?

Which was Bugs Bunny?

 

[Father Heathen]

Let's not forget that during Shakespeare's time female roles were performed by men.

 

[Father Heathen]

Let's take a step back and put our thinking caps on for a moment: The right has always fabricated moral panics out of nothingburgers because it's politically advantageous to do so. It's how they manipulate gullible dopes into voting against their own interests.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Another question. Do you realize how bigoted that question is?

What is wrong with someone in drag reading to children. In all this time no one has managed to answer that.

Maybe put the children themselves in drag to garner perspective.

 

[YmirGF]

Let's take a step back and put our thinking caps on for a moment: The right has always fabricated moral panics out of nothingburgers because it's politically advantageous to do so. It's how they manipulate gullible dopes into voting against their own interests.

As opposed to those on the left who are paragons of pure genius, have perfect moral compasses and are experts on everything.

Exit question: Why is it nowadays that anyone to the right of Joseph Stalin is considered FAR RIGHT. It's almost as if there is no such thing as a far left.

 

[Father Heathen]

As opposed to those on the left who are paragons of pure genius, have perfect moral compasses and are experts on everything.

I've never made such a claim, so...

Exit question: Why is it nowadays that anyone to the right of Joseph Stalin is considered FAR RIGHT. It's almost as if there is no such thing as a far left.

I've never claimed this either, but let's inverse the question; why is anyone left of Mussolini considered extreme leftist, "socialist/communist", etc.?
By global standards, the democratic party is center right. Yes, there are people who are far left, albeit an insignificant fringe.

 

[YmirGF]

Drag is a deliberately over-sexualised caricature of women. Drag is sexual entertainment for adults portraying a satirical sexual objectification of women. That people don't seem to realise this is the biggest issue here. 15 years or so ago this would have been a huge issue especially for feminists who wouldn't have wanted this anywhere near children.

As a gay man who is well aware of the nature of drag and is fairly familiar with the so-called history of drag, I am hard pressed to understand how any non-gay person could support this type of nuttery. As an armchair linguist, I am also more than aware of how beneficial reading is to children, That is a no-brainer. My comment above of what's next is on point. Where do we begin to label behaviors as being degenerate? Is there even a line anymore that is too extreme. I'm beginning to have my doubts.

 

[SomeRandom]

Exit question (maybe suitable for another thread): Where did people ever get the idea that it was a good idea to take small children to drag shows? What's next Pole Dancer Story Hour? Sex Worker Story Hour? Minor-Attracted Person Story Hour?

Drag has been an integral part of children’s entertainment for centuries.
Hell I grew up watching drag on Disney!!!
(Mrs Doubtfire anyone?)
Also Dame Edna Everage was a character that literally lasted like 5 decades in entertainment

 

[Father Heathen]

As a gay man who is well aware of the nature of drag and is fairly familiar with the so-called history of drag, I am hard pressed to understand how any non-gay person could support this type of nuttery. As an armchair linguist, I am also more than aware of how beneficial reading is to children, That is a no-brainer. My comment above of what's next is on point. Where do we begin to label behaviors as being degenerate? Is there even a line anymore that is too extreme. I'm beginning to have my doubts.

Do you suppose that those who watched the Bugs Bunny drag episodes when they were kids many decades ago still struggle with the deep psychological scars that were caused by it?

Don't worry, I censored it.

Spoiler

 

[SomeRandom]

My sister happens to have some very huge gazungas that she has a difficult time covering up even with a full coverage t-shirt. I wonder if someone would object to her reading books to children.

Lol I had a high school history teacher with the same problem.
She used to preempt the boys from staring at her by giving them cold hard stares directly into their souls and it was terrifying!!

Though I remember during parent teacher interviews there were quite a few uncomfortable dads trying their best to look in a more “respectful direction” when they met her lol