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And The Border Is Secure??????

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Why didn't Trump fix it? He had 4 years and did nothing. He even sabotaged a new border bill, so he's obviously not the right huy for the job. Let's get Harris in the White House, and democrats in congress who will work with republicans to pass the border bill and get the flow of migrants under control. Remember, the administration has to follow the current law. Trump sabotaged a reform law for political purposes, so he's not the right guy for the job since he doesn't care about the problem.
I believe the border billl also had other things attached to it that many people were opposed to, as bills often have.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Well you and me know full well that their intent is to allow anybody and everybody into this country regardless of background checks, criminal history or the danger they pose for the citizenry.

If something ever happens, I hope these people suffer the harshest penalty of the law over their complete disregard and outright treason against the American citizens of this country that they swore to protect just so they can get foreigners to vote for them.
Meanwhile, American citizens will continue to terrorize communities with mass shootings while the Republicans sit on their hands and cry about dirty immigrants while wholeheartedly supporting a man who singlehandedly kiboshed a bipartisan border bill.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I believe the border billl also had other things attached to it that many people were opposed to, as bills often have.
You believe it did? You don't know?

Like funding for Ukraine. What else was there that was actually inappropriate and didn't have broad support already? Nothing. The MAGA republicans just licked the boots of Trump because they are afraid of his wrath. Trump is a toxic political actor, and the republicans have been poisoned by MAGA.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Some just have "if its fox, then its false attitude" without ever reading where the data comes from.
Kinda silly but to each their own.
Well, when you call yourself a "news" organization and then have to pay out a giant settlement for knowingly and willfully lying on the air, I'd say maybe you shouldn't be taken seriously like, ever again.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Like funding for Ukraine. What else was there that was actually inappropriate and didn't have broad support already?
Lots and lots of funding for Ukraine and Israel. Lots and lots of funding. For starters.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Where do you get the idea that the news, not opinions presented by Fox is propaganda

And they say there's no such thing as a "dumb question". :rolleyes:

Fox was created by Murdoch to be a propaganda channel to reflect conservative values, and independent studies conclude that it is the least accurate of any other major network [although Newsmax wasn't evaluated at that time]. The most accurate is PBS NewsHour followed by CNN. At the bottom of the list was Fox and then MSNBC.

PolitiFact was the source of the last study I've read.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
here is the actual bill

S.4361 - Border Act of 2024


it contains nothing about Israel or the Ukraine
Tell that to:

Newsweek:

And Reuters:

And PBS:

And the BBC:
 
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RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
Well, my family has been here since the 1640s so eventually I think we're fine.

The latest came in the early 1700s so there's that. I mean, I think after 300 or more years we're OK.

And finally, the Lakota Souix were largely in the Great Plains region. My family settled on the East Coast, far from any Lakota Souix.*


Where I come from, anyone whose family came over with William the Conqueror (1066) is descended from recent immigrants. Not even the Saxons were native. All human societies were formed by migrants, that's the point.

*Mohicans then.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Tell that to:

Newsweek:

And Reuters:

And PBS:

And the BBC:
Clearly some people just cannot accept the facts of the matter.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Where I come from, anyone whose family came over with William the Conqueror (1066) is descended from recent immigrants. Not even the Saxons were native. All human societies were formed by migrants, that's the point.

*Mohicans then.
Sorry, too far north.
 

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
Tell that to:

Newsweek:

And Reuters:

And PBS:

And the BBC:
Tell them yourself. Meanwhile I linked you to the actual bill.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
So I guess that Reuters, the BBC, PBS and Newsweek are all wrong. AUGH! Don't make me read all the bill!

And I just named the most trustworthy IMO sources - there are pages and pages of sources that state that aid to Israel and Ukraine was included when the bill was introduced.

Do me a favor and google border bill ukraine israel aid.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
the fact is that the actual bill doesn't support your claims. If you wanted to prove me wrong you could actually quote the relevant portion of the actual bill. But i won't hold my breath waiting for you to do that
No. It's your ignorance that is the problem here. Not NPR or any other news agency that reports the contrary.
 

McBell

Unbound
the fact is that the actual bill doesn't support your claims. If you wanted to prove me wrong you could actually quote the relevant portion of the actual bill. But i won't hold my breath waiting for you to do that
Good luck.
They went to great lengths in a different thread to avoid supporting their claims about the bill.
To the extent of claiming they made no claims about it....
 
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