And The Border Is Secure??????

[ChristineM]

And The Border Is Secure??????​

Poor old trump, he couldn't get the mexicans to pay for a wall and had no other way to keep his promise so future generations have to live with the consequences of his failure.

And the right will blame anyone else but their orange lying criminal god

 

[Kathryn]

Why didn't Trump fix it? He had 4 years and did nothing. He even sabotaged a new border bill, so he's obviously not the right huy for the job. Let's get Harris in the White House, and democrats in congress who will work with republicans to pass the border bill and get the flow of migrants under control. Remember, the administration has to follow the current law. Trump sabotaged a reform law for political purposes, so he's not the right guy for the job since he doesn't care about the problem.

I believe the border billl also had other things attached to it that many people were opposed to, as bills often have.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Well you and me know full well that their intent is to allow anybody and everybody into this country regardless of background checks, criminal history or the danger they pose for the citizenry.

If something ever happens, I hope these people suffer the harshest penalty of the law over their complete disregard and outright treason against the American citizens of this country that they swore to protect just so they can get foreigners to vote for them.

Meanwhile, American citizens will continue to terrorize communities with mass shootings while the Republicans sit on their hands and cry about dirty immigrants while wholeheartedly supporting a man who singlehandedly kiboshed a bipartisan border bill.

 

[F1fan]

I believe the border billl also had other things attached to it that many people were opposed to, as bills often have.

You believe it did? You don't know?

Like funding for Ukraine. What else was there that was actually inappropriate and didn't have broad support already? Nothing. The MAGA republicans just licked the boots of Trump because they are afraid of his wrath. Trump is a toxic political actor, and the republicans have been poisoned by MAGA.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Some just have "if its fox, then its false attitude" without ever reading where the data comes from.
Kinda silly but to each their own.

Well, when you call yourself a "news" organization and then have to pay out a giant settlement for knowingly and willfully lying on the air, I'd say maybe you shouldn't be taken seriously like, ever again.

 

[Kathryn]

Like funding for Ukraine. What else was there that was actually inappropriate and didn't have broad support already?

Lots and lots of funding for Ukraine and Israel. Lots and lots of funding. For starters.

 

[metis]

Where do you get the idea that the news, not opinions presented by Fox is propaganda

And they say there's no such thing as a "dumb question".

Fox was created by Murdoch to be a propaganda channel to reflect conservative values, and independent studies conclude that it is the least accurate of any other major network [although Newsmax wasn't evaluated at that time]. The most accurate is PBS NewsHour followed by CNN. At the bottom of the list was Fox and then MSNBC.

PolitiFact was the source of the last study I've read.

 

[metis]

The data presented was from the ICE Deputy Director. Are you saying he is incorrect?

That is 1 person whereas what I posted was from the organization ICE itself.

 

[Argentbear]

Lots and lots of funding for Ukraine and Israel. Lots and lots of funding. For starters.

here is the actual bill

S.4361 - Border Act of 2024​

it contains nothing about Israel or the Ukraine

 

[Kathryn]

here is the actual bill

S.4361 - Border Act of 2024​

it contains nothing about Israel or the Ukraine

Tell that to:

Newsweek:

Authorization

auth.newsweek.com

And Reuters:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-unveils-118-billion-bipartisan-bill-tighten-border-security-aid-2024-02-04/

And PBS:

What’s in the Senate’s sweeping $118 billion immigration and foreign aid bill?

Along with funding for Ukraine and Israel, as well as humanitarian assistance for people fleeing Gaza, this bill is a dramatic rewriting of the asylum system.

www.pbs.org

And the BBC:

US Senate bid to salvage Ukraine and Israel aid as border deal crumbles

Republicans blocked a sweeping immigration bill months in the making - but a back-up has been put forward.

www.bbc.com

 

[RestlessSoul]

Well, my family has been here since the 1640s so eventually I think we're fine.

The latest came in the early 1700s so there's that. I mean, I think after 300 or more years we're OK.

And finally, the Lakota Souix were largely in the Great Plains region. My family settled on the East Coast, far from any Lakota Souix.*

Lakota (Sioux) Nation: A Glimpse into Great Plains Heritage

The Lakota Sioux, a prominent Native American tribe, have a rich history and vibrant culture that spans centuries. Their story is one of resilience,

americanindiancoc.org

Where I come from, anyone whose family came over with William the Conqueror (1066) is descended from recent immigrants. Not even the Saxons were native. All human societies were formed by migrants, that's the point.

*Mohicans then.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Tell that to:

Newsweek:

Authorization

auth.newsweek.com

And Reuters:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-unveils-118-billion-bipartisan-bill-tighten-border-security-aid-2024-02-04/

And PBS:

What’s in the Senate’s sweeping $118 billion immigration and foreign aid bill?

Along with funding for Ukraine and Israel, as well as humanitarian assistance for people fleeing Gaza, this bill is a dramatic rewriting of the asylum system.

www.pbs.org

And the BBC:

US Senate bid to salvage Ukraine and Israel aid as border deal crumbles

Republicans blocked a sweeping immigration bill months in the making - but a back-up has been put forward.

www.bbc.com

Clearly some people just cannot accept the facts of the matter.

 

[Kathryn]

Clearly some people just cannot accept the facts of the matter.

Apparently not. Oh well.

 

[Kathryn]

Where I come from, anyone whose family came over with William the Conqueror (1066) is descended from recent immigrants. Not even the Saxons were native. All human societies were formed by migrants, that's the point.

*Mohicans then.

Sorry, too far north.

 

[Argentbear]

Tell that to:

Newsweek:

Authorization

auth.newsweek.com

And Reuters:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-unveils-118-billion-bipartisan-bill-tighten-border-security-aid-2024-02-04/

And PBS:

What’s in the Senate’s sweeping $118 billion immigration and foreign aid bill?

Along with funding for Ukraine and Israel, as well as humanitarian assistance for people fleeing Gaza, this bill is a dramatic rewriting of the asylum system.

www.pbs.org

And the BBC:

US Senate bid to salvage Ukraine and Israel aid as border deal crumbles

Republicans blocked a sweeping immigration bill months in the making - but a back-up has been put forward.

www.bbc.com

Tell them yourself. Meanwhile I linked you to the actual bill.

 

[Argentbear]

Clearly some people just cannot accept the facts of the matter.

the fact is that the actual bill doesn't support your claims. If you wanted to prove me wrong you could actually quote the relevant portion of the actual bill. But i won't hold my breath waiting for you to do that

 

[Kathryn]

So I guess that Reuters, the BBC, PBS and Newsweek are all wrong. AUGH! Don't make me read all the bill!

And I just named the most trustworthy IMO sources - there are pages and pages of sources that state that aid to Israel and Ukraine was included when the bill was introduced.

Do me a favor and google border bill ukraine israel aid.

 

[Twilight Hue]

the fact is that the actual bill doesn't support your claims. If you wanted to prove me wrong you could actually quote the relevant portion of the actual bill. But i won't hold my breath waiting for you to do that

No. It's your ignorance that is the problem here. Not NPR or any other news agency that reports the contrary.

 

[McBell]

Tell them yourself. Meanwhile I linked you to the actual bill.

Clearly some people can not accept the facts of the matter....

 

[McBell]

the fact is that the actual bill doesn't support your claims. If you wanted to prove me wrong you could actually quote the relevant portion of the actual bill. But i won't hold my breath waiting for you to do that

Good luck.
They went to great lengths in a different thread to avoid supporting their claims about the bill.
To the extent of claiming they made no claims about it....