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And The Border Is Secure??????

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
So you'll trust the news and not the eyes God gave you?

Neat

Edit: I prefer to go to the source. Personally.
I generally do but this particular bill is many pages long and full of cross references and amendments so nope. It's for nothing anyway.

Meanwhile, knock yourself out.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
I generally do but this particular bill is many pages long and full of cross references and amendments so nope. It's for nothing anyway.
There's 4 amendments. All done by Republicans.

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I'm reading the bill currently.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Willful ignorance is still ignorance.
OK, sorry for trusting the BBC, Reuters, PBS, and Newsweek (just the sources I quoted). Do you think they are wrong?

I find it very interesting that no one will say that the BBC, PBS, Reuters or Newsweek is wrong.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
OK, sorry for trusting the BBC, Reuters, PBS, and Newsweek (just the sources I quoted). Do you think they are wrong?

They each tell a piece of the story. The whole story is within the text of the bill.

For clarification, only telling a piece of the story doesn't make a source wrong. It makes them a biased one (which they all are, it's human nature).
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
They each tell a piece of the story. The whole story is within the text of the bill.
They all specifically bring up the funds for Ukraine and Israel. Which is one of many reasons why nearly every single Republican and at least one Democrat voted against the bill.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Where I come from, anyone whose family came over with William the Conqueror (1066) is descended from recent immigrants. Not even the Saxons were native. All human societies were formed by migrants, that's the point.

*Mohicans then.
I thought you were from Jack the Ripper's heritage? :oops:
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
So do you think that Reuters, the BBC, PBS, and Newsweek are all wrong?

Seems like the GOP was using for leverage, not the other way around:

"Three senators – Oklahoma Republican James Lankford, Connecticut Democrat Chris Murphy and Arizona independent Kyrsten Sinema – spent months crafting a bill that would overhaul immigration policy at the request of Senate Republicans who insisted border security provisions should be included in the foreign aid package."


"Texas Republican Chip Roy agreed that the bill would not become law, and expressed his frustration that the GOP would not try to leverage foreign aid money for it.

Republicans continue to campaign on securing the border and then refuse to use any leverage to actually secure the border,” Roy said. “We should get it signed into law but the only way to force Democrats to do it is to use leverage.”

 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
They each tell a piece of the story. The whole story is within the text of the bill.

For clarification, only telling a piece of the story doesn't make a source wrong. It makes them a biased one (which they all are, it's human nature).
So, Reuters, the BBC, PBS and Newsweek all made up the stuff about Israel and Ukraine. Wow, heads should roll! (I mean that facetiously.) But seriously, they were very specific about amounts of aid, all that good stuff.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
So, Reuters, the BBC, PBS and Newsweek all made up the stuff about Israel and Ukraine. Wow, heads should roll!

Is that what I said? Or did I say specifically :
They each tell a piece of the story.
only telling a piece of the story doesn't make a source wrong.

It makes the source biased. Which they are. And if you look at my previous post, I quoted where and why the bill was attached to the Ukraine aid package by the GOP (#74)
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
It makes the source biased. Which they are. And if you look at my previous post, I quoted where and why the bill was attached to the Ukraine aid package by the GOP (#74)
So does the bill link to aid to Ukraine and Israel?
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Not in the first bit I've managed to read. Albeit, reading in the car makes me nauseous.
It's very unclear and difficult to read to me.

Which is the only reason I turned to Google (actually Bing) and Reuters, and the BBC, and PBS, and Newsweek. Which are now apparently biased sources.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Not in the first bit I've managed to read. Albeit, reading in the car makes me nauseous.

Here is what politico's version states from February his year about the aid package.

"A $118 billion international aid package is on the brink of collapse in the Senate as Republicans continue to oppose it over border security provisions they argue aren’t tough enough. But some opponents of the funding bill have another familiar argument: that the bill would also send $60 billion directly to Ukraine.

Most of the money dedicated to Ukraine, however, won’t leave the U.S. Instead, tens of billions of dollars will fill Pentagon coffers to purchase new weapons from U.S. companies to refill inventories
that have been tapped to help Ukraine, finance military operations and sign contracts for new weapons for Kyiv."

 
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