Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
NPR, Newsweek, PBS, the BBC - they're all wrong. And Argentbear is right. I'm not reading that whole bill by the way, are you?
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And The Border Is Secure??????
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Looks like Pope Trump should have blessed the immigration bill that had bipartisan support before he rebuked it.Seems that the White House and the Border Czar is silent on these figures.
Number of non-detained noncitizens convicted homicide and sexault assualt
Homicide- 13,099
Sexault assualt 15,811
The non-detained docket includes noncitizens who have final orders of removal or are going through removal proceedings but are not in ICE custody.
There are more than 7.4 million people on that docket, up from around 3.7 million when former President Trump left office.
White House mum amid outrage over data showing how many illegal immigrant criminals are in US
The White House did not immediately comment on data showing the number of noncitizen convicted criminals who are not detained in ICE custody.www.foxnews.com
In addition:
ICE Deputy Director Patrick Lechleitner sent a letter Wednesday to U.S. Rep. Tony Gonzales, R-Texas, saying as of July 21, there were 662,566 noncitizens with criminal histories on the agency’s non-detained docket (NDD), meaning they are not detained while they await immigration proceedings.
“Of those, 435,719 are convicted criminals, and 226,847 have pending criminal charges,”
You can't get more accurate to the bill than the actual bill so you are probably right, the news organisations you mentioned are likely to be wrong.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Like the Mexicans saying bugger off to paying for Trump's wall that got climbed over, drove over and became advertising for how Sawzall even sawzawall?
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Nope.
McBell
Unbound
Just like the many claims made about Obama Care, when flat out asked to point to the actual bill where what was claimed existed, those making the claimerss either flat out refused to present them or ran tail tucked.
The exact same has been the case here on RF with S.4361 - Border Act of 2024
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Nope, I gave the actual sources. Newsweek, PBS, the BBC, Reuters. There were many, many more but I felt like those were the most reputable.
McBell
Unbound
What I find amusing is that I have never made the claim that the news media is wrong.
I merely asked where in the bill does the bill state what it is claimed the bill states.
I mean, seriously, all they have to do is present, from the bill, where it states what it is being claimed it states.
But instead of merely doing so, people are whining about how others are allegedly claiming the news media is wrong.
rather amusing.
At least to me.
McBell
Unbound
Where in the bill does it state what your sources claim it states?
Really simple question.
Or so I thought.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I don't want to read the whole bill. Neither do you.
In fact, I am not going to because it would be a colossal waste of my time. Meanwhile, is Reuters, the PBS, Newsweek, and the BBC wrong?
Altfish
Veteran Member
Has Trump's Wall fallen down?Seems that the White House and the Border Czar is silent on these figures.
Number of non-detained noncitizens convicted homicide and sexault assualt
Homicide- 13,099
Sexault assualt 15,811
The non-detained docket includes noncitizens who have final orders of removal or are going through removal proceedings but are not in ICE custody.
There are more than 7.4 million people on that docket, up from around 3.7 million when former President Trump left office.
White House mum amid outrage over data showing how many illegal immigrant criminals are in US
The White House did not immediately comment on data showing the number of noncitizen convicted criminals who are not detained in ICE custody.
In addition:
ICE Deputy Director Patrick Lechleitner sent a letter Wednesday to U.S. Rep. Tony Gonzales, R-Texas, saying as of July 21, there were 662,566 noncitizens with criminal histories on the agency’s non-detained docket (NDD), meaning they are not detained while they await immigration proceedings.
“Of those, 435,719 are convicted criminals, and 226,847 have pending criminal charges,”
McBell
Unbound
Bull ****.
I have read the bill and did not find it.
However, I am not so arrogant as to think there is no way I could have missed it.
Thus I flat out asked those making the claim to point it out.
McBell
Unbound
With as easy as it is to take them apart, climb over them, or simply walk around them....
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
You can call it bull **** all you want, but I am telling you, I am not going to read it because 1) I don't want to and 2) it would be a colossal waste of my time. Meanwhile, are you saying that the BBC, PBS, Newsweek, and Reuters are all wrong?
See what I mean? LOL
McBell
Unbound
I do not know.
Apparently neither does anyone else.
Of course, being demonized simply for asking where in the bill the bill states what it is being claimed the bill states is rather sus, don't you think?
McBell
Unbound
I called bull **** your bold empty claim that I did not want to read the bill.
Which is complete and utter bull **** since I have already read it.
You go right ahead and take it on blind faith.
I am not one to do so.
I do not know.
Apparently neither does anyone else.
Of course, being demonized simply for asking where in the bill the bill states what it is being claimed the bill states is rather sus, don't you think?
no, I do not.
But I do see that further discussion on the topic with someone who is not going to bother to bring themselves up to speed on the situation is not productive.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
As I stated, I am not demonizing anyone. Asking for clarification.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Nope, not going to do it, I'll let the BBC, PBS, Reuters and Newsweek do it instead. Unless those are bogus sources as well.